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Skeletor
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:04 am    Post subject: revisiting the trade with the Rams Reply with quote

There were a lot of people on this site that were very opposed to the Skins trading up to the number 2 pick this offseason. I'm wondering whether that sentiment still exists?

Are there fans here that believe the price was too steep or that we shouldn't have drafted a quarterback yet because we needed to build the team around him more first?

Or has RG3 already changed your mind?

Just curious...
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: revisiting the trade with the Rams Reply with quote

Skeletor wrote:
There were a lot of people on this site that were very opposed to the Skins trading up to the number 2 pick this offseason. I'm wondering whether that sentiment still exists?

Are there fans here that believe the price was too steep or that we shouldn't have drafted a quarterback yet because we needed to build the team around him more first?

Or has RG3 already changed your mind?

Just curious...


national media began the Andrew luck vs rg3 comparison shortly after the draft. which is fine, that was inevitable.

but by the end of this season and for the next couple of seasons, redskin fans and local media should instead be comparing rg3 vs Ryan tannehill.

they coulda never drafted Andrew luck so he's a moot point.

but.....what would help the redskins win more....

rg3

or

Ryan tannehill + this year high 2nd round pick (perhaps a starting OT or Safety?) + 2013 1st round pick + 2014 1st round pick.

I bet tannehill is starting by the end of this season.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is great that he had great stats for the game, but that is the not the most important thing coming out of that game.

*Quick release - he made our O line look better at pass protection.
*Accuracy throws - all passes were on target.
*One play under duress, he side armed it to Niles Paul, who dropped it or had it knocked out of his hands
*Poise and leadership
*Motivation
*Dedication to team - I cringed when he went after that Bill witht the fumble, but that's football and I am sure his teammates will work harder for him because they saw that.
*Student of the game - has learned the playbook already
*Super personality

We can point out QBs who had good preseasons and been busts in the regular season, but I doubt if any of the QBs, had half the attributes of RGIII. Example: John Beck, after the Ravens preseason game - I was a believer in Beck after that game, but I never saw and read anything about Beck like I am seeing and reading about RGIII.

I have moved from - We had to do it to because of limited options TO No question, it was a well worth it!


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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see someone finally got the math straight on the cost of RGIII.

Since I was for this move (after I was against it :monkey: ) I'll mostly leave this thread to others.

It'll be interesting to see where things stand when Shanny's contract runs out in 3 years.

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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always felt good about Robert Griffin the third. I would've been unhappy with Andrew Luck simply because his brand was tarnished forever in my eyes by the Trollish suck for Luck BS we had to endure last go-round. So far, RGIII seems to be worth every bit of the cost, not only in what he's shown both on and off the field, but also in how his presence galvanizes and energizes the fanbase. It is nice to see the Redskins Nation genuinely excited instead of merely loyally hopeful heading into a new season. Razz
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's way to early to determine if the trade was successful or not. If he's a franchise QB, then worth every penny. If he's a mediocre qB, then the trade sucked but it'll take a few years to determine what RG3 will be.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's nice and all to throw 4 simple, uncontested passes...but THIS is how you start your NFL career:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/12/lucks-preseason-debut-three-touchdowns-in-four-possessions/
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Bob 0119
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankcal20 wrote:
It's way to early to determine if the trade was successful or not. If he's a franchise QB, then worth every penny. If he's a mediocre qB, then the trade sucked but it'll take a few years to determine what RG3 will be.


You beat me to it.

Even if I was against the Rams trade for RG3, it's still WAY too early to call it a good trade based on 6 passes.

if we are 6-2 by mid-season...then maybe Very Happy
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: revisiting the trade with the Rams Reply with quote

Skeletor wrote:
There were a lot of people on this site that were very opposed to the Skins trading up to the number 2 pick this offseason. I'm wondering whether that sentiment still exists?

Are there fans here that believe the price was too steep or that we shouldn't have drafted a quarterback yet because we needed to build the team around him more first?

Or has RG3 already changed your mind?

Just curious...


Time will show that this was a good trade for the Redskins - no doubt at all

hopefully the trade is also very good for the Rams

got to love that the Rams could have made an even better trade (for them, at least) with the Bowns but chose the Redskins Wink
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Skeletor
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you guys missed the point of my question. I wasn't asking whether the trade was worth it. Or to evaluate RG3 at this point. and my question had nothing to do with Luck.

I'm curious whether those who thought we shouldn't trade up for a quarterback at all, still think so...

I remember a long thread debating whether it was worth trading up for a qb or not.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is no doubt that we had to trade up and the Redskins FO's future here depended on them getting a QB

there is no doubt that they wanted RGIII because he will be a better fit here both this season and in the future
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always felt now was the time to pull the trigger. We did what we had to do. Well worth the gamble.
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My opinion was made public in Sept last year. It has not changed.
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Bob 0119
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point was that it would seem foolish to think that those who were critical of the trade would be swayed by four passes in a pre-season game.

If they weren't excited before, they won't be now. Give RG3 time to really prove himself in games that matter against real defenses and I think you'll see them come around
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob 0119 wrote:
My point was that it would seem foolish to think that those who were critical of the trade would be swayed by four passes in a pre-season game.

If they weren't excited before, they won't be now. Give RG3 time to really prove himself in games that matter against real defenses and I think you'll see them come around


Six passes, not four.
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