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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| crazyhorse1 wrote: |
I think we're whistling past the graveyard in regard to the whole defense. We're simply not as good as advertised, nor even good. I think the Bears showed that--the absence of Fletcher was not that important. The Bears would have scored over forty on us if it had been a regular season game, and the Bears are not that good on offense. The offense may come around, but the defense won't. We're going to have to have big games offensively to win. |
I've been saying that forever. anyone who isn't a redskins fan and therefore tainted with bias knows this as well: their defense is simply way overrated by their own fans. it wasn't really all that good last year and it will be average at best this year.
meanwhile, looking at the eagles defense closely tonight, they look absolutely dominating. their pass rush is scary and they will have a field day and blow the doors off teams that are weak up front like the redskins. they will crucify Washington, just wait. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Pre season means nothing. Skins will dominate come regular season. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| HEROHAMO wrote: | | Pre season means nothing. Skins will dominate come regular season. |
they're likely headed towards another double digit loss season. I don't say this with any sort of happiness like people think I do..but, they're not any good. theyre a pretty bad football team, dude. unfortunately if you don't realize that now, then it's going to be a shock to you. by October, you should know what I mean. |
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DarthMonk
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| crazyhorse1 wrote: |
I think we're whistling past the graveyard in regard to the whole defense. We're simply not as good as advertised, nor even good. I think the Bears showed that--the absence of Fletcher was not that important. The Bears would have scored over forty on us if it had been a regular season game, and the Bears are not that good on offense. The offense may come around, but the defense won't. We're going to have to have big games offensively to win. |
One of my all-time favorite posts from "The Myth of a Great Defense" thread, July 17, 2009:
| crazyhorse1 wrote: | | A member wrote: | Thank you, Crazyhorse1, for providing yet another post with a positive outlook. Our defense was solid last year and I don't believe you address all of the different variables that come into play when evaluating a defense.
We ranked 6th in points allowed
We ranked 5th in first downs allowed
We ranked 7th in 3rd down percentage
Those are key stats that are hard to ignore CH1. The thing that killed us last year is the inability to force turnovers. Now what can we do better this year to become an impact defense? Pass Rush. Our secondary arguably played better than any other last year, but the opportunities for turnovers were scarce as the opposing QB had all day to throw. I don't believe any is hailing our defense from last year as a truly "great" defense, but they were solid nonetheless. |
You are precisely right about the lack of turnovers last year killing us. We were sub par in regard to an element of defense in which a single play can mean a 14 flip, as well as an morale crushing shift in momentum. When our D's are good at it, we never tire of hailing it as the most important element of a defense. Most top teams in the NFL, year after year, are among league leaders in creating turnovers.
The Redskin D last year looked far better on paper than it actually was. For instance, it was fairly highly rated against the run and pass in re. to yards allowed primarily because other teams would get ahead of us, know we couldn't score, and just burn time with short yards runs the whole second half or fouth quarter. Even when teams moved unstoppably against us and destroyed our chance of winning, they were actually enhancing our D stats on paper in regard to average gain, total yards allowed, etc. If they had been forced out of their prolonged stalls, which was the D's job to do, they would have doubtless gained many more yards against us, but would have possibly opened a door for us to win. So, they played it safe and dull and just killed time by running the ball down our throats a few yards at a time-- saving our stats on paper but making us look and feel helpless.
We were, in fact, one of the weakest short yardage defenses in Redskin uniforms in recent years when the game was on the line. In several games we failed to stop sustained drives of straignt on vanilla plays in the clutch and eliminated the offense's chances of getting us back in game or hanging up a win. That, coupled with utter failure to create turnovers greatly assisted our offense to its collapse. That's why getting a stopper like Haynesworth became a multi-million dollar priority. That's also why a so-called top rated defense needed to spend its top pick on a guy who can potentually cause turnours, stop the run, stop the pass, and stop drives by picking up sacks.
In regard to points allowed, the stat looks better on paper than the field because all of the above.
As for our good-looking numbers in regard to allowing first downs-- obvious. Team that used short yardage tactics against us burned so much time in the process that first downs were relatively few per game. If the first downs achieved against us had been by the pass, there would have been many more first downs, but our chances for turnover would be improved and our chances at winning magnified. We have and had a good coverage defense.
First rule of defense: stop the run first. We didn't in the clutch and benefited on paper because statistical measurements of performances have inherent flaw. The FO knows that.
Those who call me an idiot for my view of the defense as a just average unit last year, might well reflect that my view is totally supported by actual FO personnel decisions, not contradicted by them.
Raise your hands-- all of you who were or are surprised that the Skins virtually ignored the offense in regard to additions and reinforcements while blowing their wad on defensive players for the coming season.
You, not me, are football idiots. You think with your feelers instead of feel with your thinkers.You grasp at feel good-myths and want to be developed by Zorn, who will love you. Why not change your avatars. Fios could go from a cup to a picture of Elton John with tears streaming down his big, pink sunglasses and singing Candle in the Wind. |
I know it "was only a pre-season game" but didn't the end feel familiar? We will need to be relatively healthy, play with more fire than our opponents for 60 minutes, and start to take advantage of our opportunities instead of muffing them away if we are going to be a good team. Oh yeah, and breaking down with a stutter step before actually making a tackle as opposed to whiffing would be nice too.
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| the poster wrote: | | HEROHAMO wrote: | | Pre season means nothing. Skins will dominate come regular season. |
they're likely headed towards another double digit loss season. I don't say this with any sort of happiness like people think I do..but, they're not any good. theyre a pretty bad football team, dude. unfortunately if you don't realize that now, then it's going to be a shock to you. by October, you should know what I mean. |
What will you say when RG3 is leading this team to the playoffs? Will you even be around? |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| HEROHAMO wrote: | | the poster wrote: | | HEROHAMO wrote: | | Pre season means nothing. Skins will dominate come regular season. |
they're likely headed towards another double digit loss season. I don't say this with any sort of happiness like people think I do..but, they're not any good. theyre a pretty bad football team, dude. unfortunately if you don't realize that now, then it's going to be a shock to you. by October, you should know what I mean. |
What will you say when RG3 is leading this team to the playoffs? Will you even be around? |
would you like to make a wager? if you're so confident about that let's make a wager. $1000 I pay you if Washington makes the playoffs. that's what you pay me if they don't.
let's find out how confident we really are. |
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| the poster wrote: | | HEROHAMO wrote: | | the poster wrote: | | HEROHAMO wrote: | | Pre season means nothing. Skins will dominate come regular season. |
they're likely headed towards another double digit loss season. I don't say this with any sort of happiness like people think I do..but, they're not any good. theyre a pretty bad football team, dude. unfortunately if you don't realize that now, then it's going to be a shock to you. by October, you should know what I mean. |
What will you say when RG3 is leading this team to the playoffs? Will you even be around? |
would you like to make a wager? if you're so confident about that let's make a wager. $1000 I pay you if Washington makes the playoffs. that's what you pay me if they don't.
let's find out how confident we really are. |
To be honest I doubt you would even pay. Secondly we would have to meet for you to pay me when we do win. That I doubt you would do.
But if it makes you happy whatever you say. Who is that geeky character you claimed to be again? |
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cowboykillerzRGiii
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If we go .500 or better in the first 5 games you duck out of this site. Deal? If not ill change my Sig to whatever u like.
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| cowboykillerzRED wrote: | | If we go .500 ... in the first 5 games |
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Mississippiskinsfan2
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | cowboykillerzRED wrote: | | If we go .500 ... in the first 5 games |
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Red_One43
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| Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | cowboykillerzRED wrote: | | If we go .500 ... in the first 5 games |
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Well, it is possible to be .500 at the end of 5 games. Record of 2-2-1
The tie being a regular season game in which overtime ends with the teams still tied.  |
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cowboykillerzRGiii
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| Pretty clever eh? |
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chiefhog44
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| cowboykillerzRED wrote: | | Pretty clever eh? |
Good cover |
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Red_One43
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| chiefhog44 wrote: | | cowboykillerzRED wrote: | | Pretty clever eh? |
Good cover |
He owes me for that one. |
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HarleyHog
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| HEROHAMO wrote: | | the poster wrote: | | HEROHAMO wrote: | | Pre season means nothing. Skins will dominate come regular season. |
they're likely headed towards another double digit loss season. I don't say this with any sort of happiness like people think I do..but, they're not any good. theyre a pretty bad football team, dude. unfortunately if you don't realize that now, then it's going to be a shock to you. by October, you should know what I mean. |
What will you say when RG3 is leading this team to the playoffs? Will you even be around? |
Not if "the (im)poster" keeps it's trollish word. It already stated that a playoff appearance was it's terms for going back to whatever bridge it crawled out from under and leaving this site less sullied. |
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