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riggofan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| DarthMonk wrote: | | I'd call the kickoff fundamental. |
meh. Kickoffs account for 6% of the plays during a game. The past two years only 50% of them are actually returned.
There's no question that the kickoff is fundamental. The question is: is it really essential?
If the league decided that cutting out the kickoff would really reduce the number of spinal injuries, concussions, etc;, I wouldn't cry about it. And you certainly can't blame a guy like Greg Schiano for wanting to do something about it considering what happened to Eric LeGrand. I think people are a little too guick to get all grumpy-old-man-get-off-my-lawn. |
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FLWSkin
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Not to be too grumpy, but someone could get paralysed on any play. If everyone is that worried about it, eliminate football all together. |
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riggofan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| FLWSkin wrote: | | Not to be too grumpy, but someone could get paralysed on any play. If everyone is that worried about it, eliminate football all together. |
What kind of logic is that? People still die in car accidents, so why wear seat belts at all? Come on, man.
Kickoffs account for 6% of all NFL plays, but they account for 17% of all those most serious injuries. That's ridiculously disproportionate. If you can cut down the risk of somebody getting paralysed by 20% with minimal impact on the game, you don't think that is worth at least considering with an open mind? |
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FLWSkin
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Its perfect logic. The NFL is doing all this to eliminate lawsuits by former players because of concussions. If you don't want any football related injuries, ban football. Or, if you want the money, fame and stuff that goes with football, admit it is going to ruin you physically and just take the money and accept it or don't play. To me, everything else, like eliminating kickoffs, is just dancing around the obvious. |
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riggofan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| FLWSkin wrote: | | Its perfect logic. The NFL is doing all this to eliminate lawsuits by former players because of concussions. If you don't want any football related injuries, ban football. Or, if you want the money, fame and stuff that goes with football, admit it is going to ruin you physically and just take the money and accept it or don't play. To me, everything else, like eliminating kickoffs, is just dancing around the obvious. |
Sounds like a realistic plan. |
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FLWSkin
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Perfectly realistic to me. |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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 WOW! ... just boggles the mind |
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FLWSkin
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| What in what I have said boggles your mind? Players bitch about safety and then you get guys launching themsevles head first into RGIII's head like the Falcon game, the Eagle game and last weeks Raven game. They obviously dont' care about safety, every time it is mentioned they say how weak the game is becoming because of safety concerns, but then they want to sue the league later after they've blown all their money and say someone should have made the game safer. My points are pretty clear and easy to look up if you desire. |
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riggofan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| SkinsJock wrote: | | WOW! ... just boggles the mind |
LOL. I think I'm done with this one.  |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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I don't blame you
I'm like Brandon Banks - I'm outa here  |
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skinsfan#33
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| riggofan wrote: | | FLWSkin wrote: | | Not to be too grumpy, but someone could get paralysed on any play. If everyone is that worried about it, eliminate football all together. |
What kind of logic is that? People still die in car accidents, so why wear seat belts at all? Come on, man.
Kickoffs account for 6% of all NFL plays, but they account for 17% of all those most serious injuries. That's ridiculously disproportionate. If you can cut down the risk of somebody getting paralysed by 20% with minimal impact on the game, you don't think that is worth at least considering with an open mind? |
Link please for your stats!
I haven't been able to find ANY stats that show that the KO is a statistically higher injury rate. Not saying you pulled that out of the air (or under your seat), but I haven't been able to find any. |
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DarthMonk
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | riggofan wrote: | | FLWSkin wrote: | | Not to be too grumpy, but someone could get paralysed on any play. If everyone is that worried about it, eliminate football all together. |
What kind of logic is that? People still die in car accidents, so why wear seat belts at all? Come on, man.
Kickoffs account for 6% of all NFL plays, but they account for 17% of all those most serious injuries. That's ridiculously disproportionate. If you can cut down the risk of somebody getting paralysed by 20% with minimal impact on the game, you don't think that is worth at least considering with an open mind? |
Link please for your stats!
I haven't been able to find ANY stats that show that the KO is a statistically higher injury rate. Not saying you pulled that out of the air (or under your seat), but I haven't been able to find any. |
Me neither. I'm trying to remember a guy getting concussed on a KO.
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2011/09/will-new-kickoff-rules-really-reduce.html
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Further, looking back at the graph above, it appears that over the past few years, injury rates on kickoffs are in line with those on run and pass plays. In fact, in 2008 and 2009 the kickoff injury rates were lower than for typical scrimmage plays. Getting rid of the two-minute warning in the first half, a gimmick that only allows extra commercials, would have a similar injury-reducing effect just by reducing the number of pass and run plays.
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Deadskins
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| DarthMonk wrote: | | Getting rid of the two-minute warning in the first half, a gimmick that only allows extra commercials, would have a similar injury-reducing effect just by reducing the number of pass and run plays. |
Are guys getting injured during commercials now? |
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DarthMonk
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | DarthMonk wrote: | | Getting rid of the two-minute warning in the first half, a gimmick that only allows extra commercials, would have a similar injury-reducing effect just by reducing the number of pass and run plays. |
Are guys getting injured during commercials now? |
I was quoting an article. I think without the two minute warning fewer plays are run. It's an extra time out. It amounts to a few hundred plays a year. |
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ATX_Skins
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:23 am Post subject: |
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As promised, I am once again bringing this thread back.
I don't think we will ever see him again. |
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