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Countertrey
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| I give my own money to charity. Romney gives his own money to charity. Obama takes from us to give to charity. That's the difference. |
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cowboykillerzRGiii
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Well the republicans want to give tax breaks to the filthy rich, in turn giving Romney MORE money when he's filthy rich to begin with instead of helping th e poor worthless middle class take a break and get ahead.. then by giving some of
Said tax break money to charity he is a savior?
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cowboykillerzRGiii
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Romney's opps. |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | cowboykillerzRED wrote: | | Romney believes in private charity? Wow. Being born into millions might be part of that eh? |
You hate him, got it |
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It's cool being a Democrat. No matter how stupid and ineffective their solution is, they get to be judged by their intent. And if you don't agree with their idiotic solutions, then you are actually agains the goal as well.
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And you prefer bumbling retards in office, got it . Good assumptions. |
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crazyhorse1
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Countertrey wrote: | | I give my own money to charity. Romney gives his own money to charity. Obama takes from us to give to charity. That's the difference. |
If Romney actually gives money to charity, I'll give him credit for one of the only true statements he's made on the campaign trail. Your remark about Obama makes no sense except as a clever turn of phrase. Actually, Obama doesn't take anything from us. He didn't set current tax rates and hasn't raised taxes, nor has he given our money to "charity." Republican and Democratic presidents, together, created, reformed, and shaped our welfare programs.
Most of the spending attributed to Obama is actually the consequence of programs/policies being carried over from former administrations, both Republican and Democratic. He initiated about one and half trillion of new expenditures, which is extremely low (the lowest total since before Reagan) and actually proposed four trillion in deficit reductions, which was killed by Republicans. |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | If you can't dazzle 'em with your wit... |
Exactly! |
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Countertrey
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| crazyhorse1 wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | I give my own money to charity. Romney gives his own money to charity. Obama takes from us to give to charity. That's the difference. |
If Romney actually gives money to charity, I'll give him credit for one of the only true statements he's made on the campaign trail. Your remark about Obama makes no sense except as a clever turn of phrase. Actually, Obama doesn't take anything from us. He didn't set current tax rates and hasn't raised taxes, nor has he given our money to "charity." Republican and Democratic presidents, together, created, reformed, and shaped our welfare programs.
Most of the spending attributed to Obama is actually the consequence of programs/policies being carried over from former administrations, both Republican and Democratic. He initiated about one and half trillion of new expenditures, which is extremely low (the lowest total since before Reagan) and actually proposed four trillion in deficit reductions, which was killed by Republicans. |
Expansion (not carry over) of entitlements, such as Obamacare, is a direct increase on the tax power of the government... additionally, continued acceleration of deficit spending decreases the value of the cash in your pocket... taken from me... by Obama. Obama policies pushing increased conversion of food to inefficient, and, obtw, corrosive fuel increases pressure of food prices across the board... a tax that seeks to serve the Obama agenda. Obama is on record, now, as being a proponent of the redistribution of wealth... something conservatives knew all along... but the guilty limosine liberal class has been pretending was a dirty trick... Surprise! His agenda is to move the wealth from one group to another... and is not above creating new confiscatory authority to do so. |
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Countertrey
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| cowboykillerzRED wrote: | Well the republicans want to give tax breaks to the filthy rich, in turn giving Romney MORE money when he's filthy rich to begin with instead of helping th e poor worthless middle class take a break and get ahead.. then by giving some of
Said tax break money to charity he is a savior?
Makes perfect sense. |
You hate him... we get it... but, it's clear that you have no idea why, since there is not a single fact in your rant...
I'm assuming it's because Michael Moore told you to... but, whatever... |
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crazyhorse1
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| Countertrey wrote: | | crazyhorse1 wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | I give my own money to charity. Romney gives his own money to charity. Obama takes from us to give to charity. That's the difference. |
If Romney actually gives money to charity, I'll give him credit for one of the only true statements he's made on the campaign trail. Your remark about Obama makes no sense except as a clever turn of phrase. Actually, Obama doesn't take anything from us. He didn't set current tax rates and hasn't raised taxes, nor has he given our money to "charity." Republican and Democratic presidents, together, created, reformed, and shaped our welfare programs.
Most of the spending attributed to Obama is actually the consequence of programs/policies being carried over from former administrations, both Republican and Democratic. He initiated about one and half trillion of new expenditures, which is extremely low (the lowest total since before Reagan) and actually proposed four trillion in deficit reductions, which was killed by Republicans. |
Expansion (not carry over) of entitlements, such as Obamacare, is a direct increase on the tax power of the government... additionally, continued acceleration of deficit spending decreases the value of the cash in your pocket... taken from me... by Obama. Obama policies pushing increased conversion of food to inefficient, and, obtw, corrosive fuel increases pressure of food prices across the board... a tax that seeks to serve the Obama agenda. Obama is on record, now, as being a proponent of the redistribution of wealth... something conservatives knew all along... but the guilty limosine liberal class has been pretending was a dirty trick... Surprise! His agenda is to move the wealth from one group to another... and is not above creating new confiscatory authority to do so. |
For the last thirty years, the Republican party has been aggressively moving money from the poor and middle class to the rich. This, of course, is blatant
redistribution. There is such an abundance of the above that I'm surprised you haven't heard. The redistribution is so onerous that it's threatening to turn the United States into a banana republic. |
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cowboykillerzRGiii
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| Countertrey wrote: | | cowboykillerzRED wrote: | Well the republicans want to give tax breaks to the filthy rich, in turn giving Romney MORE money when he's filthy rich to begin with instead of helping th e poor worthless middle class take a break and get ahead.. then by giving some of
Said tax break money to charity he is a savior?
Makes perfect sense. |
You hate him... we get it... but, it's clear that you have no idea why, since there is not a single fact in your rant...
I'm assuming it's because Michael Moore told you to... but, whatever... |
Michael Moore is a douche... Romney is ignorant even beyond George W. Obama is the lesser of the evils, and my vote would go to Gary Johnson if I thought he had a fighting chance. Paul would have been my republican candidate of choice but flip flop Romney won over the "intellectual" crowd. Now that's a first putting Romney and intellectual in the same sentence!
I am
Pro choice, indifferent on gay marriage, for taxing millionaires, for separation of church and state, for legalizing marijuana, against playing big brother/anti war (but understand that's a pipe dream), but most of all prefer a leader that isn't a complete moron. I don't care about Romney's tax returns or Obamas religion. I care about giving the lower middle class a chance to climb out of the debt and succeed. I support small businesses and want big corporations to keep jobs in America.
Saying I hate Romney but don't know why is unfounded... I'm just not rich enough to buy a $60,000 plate to make it to one of his dinners. No president is perfect, but I'm part of the 48% that Mitt thinks will never try to provide for my family. If he was Hispanic he still wouldn't get any Hispanic votes. He's a fool, i don't hate fools I pity the fool  |
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This whole redistribution talk is crazy.
How much of that money redistributed would the American people see? Really that money taken from the rich would go to the government. They will do what they always do. Waste it. Might as well throw the cash in the fire.
We have to realize the government does not know how to manage money. Think about it. They already receive an average of 2 Trillion dollars annually from tax revenues. 2 Trillion Dollars!! Honestly any decent money manager could make sure the country was running well with 2 Trillion dollars a year. Come on seriously think about it.
The way I see it we should lower taxes across the board. Sure we have a 16 Trillion dollar deficit. But if you squeeze the economy and business in general it is going to get worse. I say lower the taxes let the American people thrive. Unleash the brilliant minds and watch what we can do. Pay back the debt over a twenty year plan. Slowly but surely.
I think we should have a tax holiday for all new small businesses. Maybe tax free for the first six months. Then ten percent after the first six months. If that same company can employ 50 workers they should receive additional tax breaks.
Now a lil bit on the health care bill. Huge issue right now. Well the way I see it is business owners in general are having a hard enough time trying to stay above water. What do you think a mandate to provide health care for all your employees will do?
A small example. If the health care law states you must provide health care benefits for full time workers if you employ 50 or above.
Well many companies will just hire under 50. I spoke to my best friend last night. He is planning on doing just that. Sad but true. I know many business owners out there may do the same.
I think if you have a health care mandate. Well at least provide a tax break. If you provide health care for 50 employees and above drop the tax rate to 10 percent.
Ah just a few thoughts for you guys to chew on. |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| cowboykillerzRGiii wrote: | Michael Moore is a douche... Romney is ignorant even beyond George W. Obama is the lesser of the evils, and my vote would go to Gary Johnson if I thought he had a fighting chance. Paul would have been my republican candidate of choice but flip flop Romney won over the "intellectual" crowd. Now that's a first putting Romney and intellectual in the same sentence!
I am
Pro choice, indifferent on gay marriage, for taxing millionaires, for separation of church and state, for legalizing marijuana, against playing big brother/anti war (but understand that's a pipe dream), but most of all prefer a leader that isn't a complete moron. I don't care about Romney's tax returns or Obamas religion. I care about giving the lower middle class a chance to climb out of the debt and succeed. I support small businesses and want big corporations to keep jobs in America.
Saying I hate Romney but don't know why is unfounded... I'm just not rich enough to buy a $60,000 plate to make it to one of his dinners. No president is perfect, but I'm part of the 48% that Mitt thinks will never try to provide for my family. If he was Hispanic he still wouldn't get any Hispanic votes. He's a fool, i don't hate fools I pity the fool |
With all the government needs to destroy wealth envy, you'd vote libertarian if they had a chance? In what possible universe does that make sense? I am a libertarian, I haven't voted Republican since 1988, but with the Marxist in Chief I will vote for Romney in 1 1/2 months without flinching. But while you have some agreement with libertarians, trust me, you fundamentally aren't one.
If you ever discover capitalism, which is just the word for economic freedom, give us a call. But we need people who actually support our cause, not people who just support dope smoking. Everyone would be richer in our system. But everyone wouldn't achieve the same level of wealth.
Winston Churchill: The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
That is the path you go down with your blast the rich campaign. It's just so preposterous that by not attacking the rich, we are giving them the money. They get the money by giving everyone else the jobs and then they can invest as well and earn more. You can not like reality, but that is reality. |
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crazyhorse1
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | cowboykillerzRGiii wrote: | Michael Moore is a douche... Romney is ignorant even beyond George W. Obama is the lesser of the evils, and my vote would go to Gary Johnson if I thought he had a fighting chance. Paul would have been my republican candidate of choice but flip flop Romney won over the "intellectual" crowd. Now that's a first putting Romney and intellectual in the same sentence!
I am
Pro choice, indifferent on gay marriage, for taxing millionaires, for separation of church and state, for legalizing marijuana, against playing big brother/anti war (but understand that's a pipe dream), but most of all prefer a leader that isn't a complete moron. I don't care about Romney's tax returns or Obamas religion. I care about giving the lower middle class a chance to climb out of the debt and succeed. I support small businesses and want big corporations to keep jobs in America.
Saying I hate Romney but don't know why is unfounded... I'm just not rich enough to buy a $60,000 plate to make it to one of his dinners. No president is perfect, but I'm part of the 48% that Mitt thinks will never try to provide for my family. If he was Hispanic he still wouldn't get any Hispanic votes. He's a fool, i don't hate fools I pity the fool |
With all the government needs to destroy wealth envy, you'd vote libertarian if they had a chance? In what possible universe does that make sense? I am a libertarian, I haven't voted Republican since 1988, but with the Marxist in Chief I will vote for Romney in 1 1/2 months without flinching. But while you have some agreement with libertarians, trust me, you fundamentally aren't one.
If you ever discover capitalism, which is just the word for economic freedom, give us a call. But we need people who actually support our cause, not people who just support dope smoking. Everyone would be richer in our system. But everyone wouldn't achieve the same level of wealth.
Winston Churchill: The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
That is the path you go down with your blast the rich campaign. It's just so preposterous that by not attacking the rich, we are giving them the money. They get the money by giving everyone else the jobs and then they can invest as well and earn more. You can not like reality, but that is reality. |
The current rich are totally expendable. What is important are workers and the market itself. If there's money in the market, there will always be those who will take advantage of it...without need of tax breaks and political power.
Let's give real capitalists a chance by getting rid of the leeches who think they should own everything and be able to buy the government. |
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