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ACW
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Wait, why does Trent's salary DROP?  |
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1niksder
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| ACW wrote: | | Wait, why does Trent's salary DROP? |
The contract he signed paid him a $11M base last year, a $5M base in 2013, $7.5M in 2014, and $10.75M in 2015... also his reporting bonus increases each year going forward after 2013. |
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ACW
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| 1niksder wrote: | | ACW wrote: | | Wait, why does Trent's salary DROP? |
The contract he signed paid him a $11M base last year, a $5M base in 2013, $7.5M in 2014, and $10.75M in 2015... also his reporting bonus increases each year going forward after 2013. |
Thanks. Seems weird to me though. |
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1niksder
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| ACW wrote: | | 1niksder wrote: | | ACW wrote: | | Wait, why does Trent's salary DROP? |
The contract he signed paid him a $11M base last year, a $5M base in 2013, $7.5M in 2014, and $10.75M in 2015... also his reporting bonus increases each year going forward after 2013. |
Thanks. Seems weird to me though. |
Signed when the big rookie paydays were known to be coming to a end, he got a six year deal worth $60M with a #3M signing bonus and a little over $36M of it guaranteed (about what he was paid over the last three years. That about 60% 0f the deal in the first three years, now they've got to cover the last 40% or so over the remaining three.
RGIII was drafted two years later and two spots higher... Left Tackles make good money but not QB money, yet Bob got a four year deal "only" worth $21.1M but the whole thing is guaranteed with a $13.8M signing bonus, and a increase in base salary every year with a 5th year option.
Trent also fired and replaced his agent in the middle of contract talks. |
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1niksder
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Looks like the cap will be $123.9M in 2013
Accounting for escalators (mostly Perry Riley) and the newly released cap number, by my figures. the Redskins current cap space is ... -$1,667,258  |
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SkinsJock
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^^ 
just gotta love it - we are not in bad shape and actually could be in pretty good shape if 'things' go our way 
then again ..... Mara and Godahell will surely try and ensure 'things' do NOT go our way  |
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Irn-Bru
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| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| 1niksder wrote: | Looks like the cap will be $123.9M in 2013
Accounting for escalators (mostly Perry Riley) and the newly released cap number, by my figures. the Redskins current cap space is ... -$1,667,258 |
Good or bad? |
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frankcal20
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I really wish we would restructure some folks contracts and quick like. Mainly these few:
D.Hall
Bowen
Cofield
Garcon (9+M this year)
Merriweather
Montgomery (doubt it here)
Josh Wilson (5+ M this year)
If we can recapture $1.5m from each player this year, that would free up $10.5m which would be huge for resigning guys and also bringing in a player or two. |
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SkinsJock
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1niksder
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| Irn-Bru wrote: | | 1niksder wrote: | Looks like the cap will be $123.9M in 2013
Accounting for escalators (mostly Perry Riley) and the newly released cap number, by my figures. the Redskins current cap space is ... -$1,667,258 |
Good or bad? |
This is after the y eat the last $18M from cap gate... so I'll say BETTER
| frankcal20 wrote: | I really wish we would restructure some folks contracts and quick like. Mainly these few:
D.Hall
Bowen
Cofield
Garcon (9+M this year)
Merriweather
Montgomery (doubt it here)
Josh Wilson (5+ M this year)
If we can recapture $1.5m from each player this year, that would free up $10.5m which would be huge for resigning guys and also bringing in a player or two. |
Once they start contract talks...
D. Hall is a must or he'll be released... if they released him today it would put them more than $6M under the cap. Same goes for Santana Moss (whom you didn't mention) releasing him would put them close to $1M under.
Bowen has almost $5M in unaccounted for pro-rations and a base salary of less than $4M. That's just pushing money into the future, Cofield has more unaccounted for $$$ than Bowen.
Garcon has a $8.2M cap hit and only $2.2M of his $11M bonus has been paid to the cap, maybe next year.
You get close with Merriweather, he could free up $1.45M if they re-work his deal.
Montgomery has about $1M in roster bonuses due over the next few years that they could play with but they just re-did his contract last year.
Josh Wilson's current deal has the potential to free up more cap space than Moss
They could look at Perry Riley, Trent Williams, Adam Carriker, and Orakpo as possible extentions along with Wilson, Moss (restructure or release), and Hall (restructure or release) to free up about $17M in space.
They would be adding years to the contracts of each one they re-work. Do they want to do that with Hall, Moss, and Carriker? |
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SkinsJock
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^^^ this is very informative ...
I appreciate the value of 'experience' ... but ...
I hope we continue to place a premium on younger and faster players - That's just my 2 Cents. |
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frankcal20
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| I believe we're one of the youngest teams in the NFL. Also, i'm curious if the cap figures that are posted include the $18m hit or if we need to recoup the $1m + $18m. That will REALLY SUCK!!! |
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SkinsJock
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| frankcal20 wrote: | | I believe we're one of the youngest teams in the NFL. Also, i'm curious if the cap figures that are posted include the $18m hit or if we need to recoup the $1m + $18m. That will REALLY SUCK!!! |
I believe that 'the man' has indicated the cap figure is AFTER the 'cap hit' ..
we are one of the youngest franchises and should work hard to get even younger and faster |
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1niksder
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| SkinsJock wrote: | | frankcal20 wrote: | | I believe we're one of the youngest teams in the NFL. Also, i'm curious if the cap figures that are posted include the $18m hit or if we need to recoup the $1m + $18m. That will REALLY SUCK!!! |
I believe that 'the man' has indicated the cap figure is AFTER the 'cap hit' ..
we are one of the youngest franchises and should work hard to get even younger and faster |
What SJ said |
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Irn-Bru
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Thanks for the breakdown, 1nik. Not a ton of room for us to improve, but we really aren't in terrible shape with the cap. Just need to be shrewd again this offseason and maybe get lucky in the draft again.  |
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