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HarleyHog
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Joined: 06 Sep 2009
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Location: Vallejo, California
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Fact is, the D is not awful, it is not good. It has been adequate twice, it has been inadequate twice. The O is quite good and getting better. All 4 games have been close.We have a solid group on the front side, the secondary is most of the issue. In fairness, a lot of the time the coverage has been good, but the throw was better, especially vs the Saints We are young, but growing. Fortunately, all three Division opponents look kinda sketchy so far. We need to stay in the mix. We have seen a little bit of good defensive play from time to time. I hope we will see some consistency develop, and I hope that we will see it soon. Until then, RGIII will have to carry us I guess. |
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grampi
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Hooligan wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: |
No, it really isn't. We're 10th in the NFL and 6th in the NFC in rushing defense. We're #3 in the NFL in passes defensed, and tied with three other teams for 9th in INTs. We give up a lot of points and yardage for a couple of reasons. First, we stop the run very well and it forces teams to pass a lot. We get ahead in games early, and the other teams are forced to pass to catch up. I'm not saying our passing defense is great, or even better than average, but you have to consider the number of throws our opponents are making in that appraisal. |
Lets look closer...
| Deadskins wrote: | | We give up a lot of points and yardage for a couple of reasons. |
Just a little more...
| Deadskins wrote: | | We give up a lot of points and yardage |
If a defense gives up a lot of points and yardage, they suck. Whether it's through the air or on the ground, yards and points are bad. ESPECIALLY if, as you say, we're up early and the opponent is forced to pass. So we can't defend the pass when we KNOW they're going to be pass-heavy? Optimism is great, but lets not try to polish a turd here. |
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grampi
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| HarleyHog wrote: | | Fact is, the D is not awful, it is not good. It has been adequate twice, it has been inadequate twice. The O is quite good and getting better. All 4 games have been close.We have a solid group on the front side, the secondary is most of the issue. In fairness, a lot of the time the coverage has been good, but the throw was better, especially vs the Saints We are young, but growing. Fortunately, all three Division opponents look kinda sketchy so far. We need to stay in the mix. We have seen a little bit of good defensive play from time to time. I hope we will see some consistency develop, and I hope that we will see it soon. Until then, RGIII will have to carry us I guess. |
Please tell me in which 2 games our D has been adequate. The Skins have won 2 games in spite of their D.... |
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Deadskins
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Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| grampi wrote: | | HarleyHog wrote: | | Fact is, the D is not awful, it is not good. It has been adequate twice, it has been inadequate twice. The O is quite good and getting better. All 4 games have been close.We have a solid group on the front side, the secondary is most of the issue. In fairness, a lot of the time the coverage has been good, but the throw was better, especially vs the Saints We are young, but growing. Fortunately, all three Division opponents look kinda sketchy so far. We need to stay in the mix. We have seen a little bit of good defensive play from time to time. I hope we will see some consistency develop, and I hope that we will see it soon. Until then, RGIII will have to carry us I guess. |
Please tell me in which 2 games our D has been adequate. The Skins have won 2 games in spite of their D.... |
All four games really. The saints scored off a punt block. The D scored on the first play of the Rams game, and put the kibosh on Stephen Jackson. They held the Law Firm under 40 yards, and held the Buccs to 22 points. You don't have to see the negative in everything, grumpi. |
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grampi
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | grampi wrote: | | HarleyHog wrote: | | Fact is, the D is not awful, it is not good. It has been adequate twice, it has been inadequate twice. The O is quite good and getting better. All 4 games have been close.We have a solid group on the front side, the secondary is most of the issue. In fairness, a lot of the time the coverage has been good, but the throw was better, especially vs the Saints We are young, but growing. Fortunately, all three Division opponents look kinda sketchy so far. We need to stay in the mix. We have seen a little bit of good defensive play from time to time. I hope we will see some consistency develop, and I hope that we will see it soon. Until then, RGIII will have to carry us I guess. |
Please tell me in which 2 games our D has been adequate. The Skins have won 2 games in spite of their D.... |
All four games really. The saints scored off a punt block. The D scored on the first play of the Rams game, and put the kibosh on Stephen Jackson. They held the Law Firm under 40 yards, and held the Buccs to 22 points. You don't have to see the negative in everything, grumpi. |
What I see is reality...if this team had the D they had from just a couple of seasons ago, coupled with this RGIII led O, we'd be 4-0 right now and you can't deny that.... |
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Bob 0119
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:31 am Post subject: |
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When our defense presses, it can be pretty good. When the corners play bump and run on th outside and give the pass rush time to develop.
Where we fail is when we have a lead and start playing more conservative soft-zone coverage with our corners lined up 10-yards off the receivers.
You see it in all four games. Defense holds 'em down, we jump out to a double digit lead and the D lets up. You can say it's offensive adjustment on the part of our opponents (and some of that is legit), you can say it's desperation as they try to catch up (and some of that is true) but what I've seen is we take the boot off their throat and allow them right back into the game going into a prevent-style defense. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Bob 0119 wrote: | When our defense presses, it can be pretty good. When the corners play bump and run on th outside and give the pass rush time to develop.
Where we fail is when we have a lead and start playing more conservative soft-zone coverage with our corners lined up 10-yards off the receivers.
You see it in all four games. Defense holds 'em down, we jump out to a double digit lead and the D lets up. You can say it's offensive adjustment on the part of our opponents (and some of that is legit), you can say it's desperation as they try to catch up (and some of that is true) but what I've seen is we take the boot off their throat and allow them right back into the game going into a prevent-style defense. |
Exactly, but that doesn't mean the D is pathetic, like some are claiming. |
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Mississippiskinsfan2
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Joined: 18 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:07 am Post subject: |
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The pass def is a littile off from last year but teams are having to try harder so that has a lot to with it I think
2011 PASS DEF APG 32 YPA 7 YPG 224
2012 PASS DEF APG 37 YPA 8.5 YPG 331.5
The run def is no better than it was last year giving up 4.3 YPA.
2011 RUN DEF 27 APG 116 YPG
2012 RUN DEF 21 APG 90.3 YPG |
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ACW
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Joined: 22 Jun 2012
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Location: Arlington, VA (Ballston)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Eagles fans suck, but Mara has his team at the top of my ****list. |
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