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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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any kicker that cannot kick the ball into the end zone on MOST kickoffs is most likely not going to be able to kick long FGs
when the only prerequisites are:
touchbacks on kickoffs
accuracy inside the 50
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this is all the guy needs to do and it's all that he's been practicing for years
WHY can we not find one of these guys? |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | I would hope that this had nothing to do with Danny. |
you have difficulty thinking outside the box - don't you 
Danny Smith is the Special Teams coach and he POSSIBLY has some input about his specialists - don't ya think  |
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Red_One43
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| Quote: | Grant Paulsen@granthpaulsen
I'm hearing the #Redskins originally planned on having Graham Gano kick tomorrow. Changed minds at some point after contacting him this AM.
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If this is true, Shanny really, really, really doesn't want Gano back. Been there done that or Shanny can't decide how he wants he crow cooked? |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Red_One43 wrote: | | Quote: | Grant Paulsen@granthpaulsen
I'm hearing the #Redskins originally planned on having Graham Gano kick tomorrow. Changed minds at some point after contacting him this AM.
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If this is true, Shanny really, really, really doesn't want Gano back. Been there done that or Shanny can't decide how he wants he crow cooked? |
Why would Shannahan need to eat crow if he signed Gano back? He wasn't wrong about Gano. If Gano went and played well for someone else, I could see it, but that someone else sucks too is hardly a defense for Gano. |
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rskin72
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I would have a hard time believing that Shanny would not at least kick the tires on some other kickers after the problems Cundiff has had. I mean, he did not compete with Gano or Rackers during pre-season....he lost his competition with the Ravens....his overall FG% is about on par with Gano (especially if you take away his pro bowl season...one season....) and worse than Rackers. He has no leg outside of 50 yds....so he needs to be money within 50 yards....and he has been anything but.
Personally, I would bring back Gano, but apparently there is more to this story than we know.....
All I know is that we need (still) a consistent FG kicker. |
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Countertrey
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Danny Smith needs to go... I simply don't understand how he manages to keep his job, year after year...
He's got to have video... |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| SkinsJock wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | I would hope that this had nothing to do with Danny. |
you have difficulty thinking outside the box - don't you |
The problem was that I was outside the box, Danny Smith would be inside. duh. |
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Red_One43
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Red_One43 wrote: | | Quote: | Grant Paulsen@granthpaulsen
I'm hearing the #Redskins originally planned on having Graham Gano kick tomorrow. Changed minds at some point after contacting him this AM.
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If this is true, Shanny really, really, really doesn't want Gano back. Been there done that or Shanny can't decide how he wants he crow cooked? |
Why would Shannahan need to eat crow if he signed Gano back? He wasn't wrong about Gano. If Gano went and played well for someone else, I could see it, but that someone else sucks too is hardly a defense for Gano. |
No defense for Gano. I have been clammering for Forbath to get a try out and Shanny must have heard me because Forbath is coming in. 
Just making light of Paulsen's scoop that Shanny planned to bring Gano in but changed his mind. What caused him to change his mind? We make fun of Mike's ego - so an egotistical answer would be "afraid to eat crow." But not a serious answer because this is the same coach who said that he would stake his rep on Grossman and Beck.
A more serious answer, but not totally serious, as to why he changed his mind, is he woke up in the middle of the night and said, "Hell No! I ain't going there again." In other words Gano-mares!
My totally serious answer as to why he might have changed his mind is that he has other plans and it would be a waste of time to bring in Gano because Gano doesn't fit those plans. |
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fetus
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| Countertrey wrote: | Danny Smith needs to go... I simply don't understand how he manages to keep his job, year after year...
He's got to have video... |
please expand on this, I don't see the problem with Danny Smith, he doesn't miss field goals or miss blocks on FG's or Extra Points or Punts, I haven't seen a time that Danny Smith hasn't been in the face of the person who blew their assignment and also, I don't know how much he has to do with it but, the best special teams player IN THE LEAGUE, Lorenzo Alexander, is on Danny Smith's Special Teams.
But anyhow I would like to hear/read why, it seems to me, a lot of people have a problem with Danny Smith |
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skinsfan#33
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Gano made 15 of his last 16 (the one miss a block).
Cundiff has made 6 of his last 13.
Cundiff should go. He should have never have replaced Gano.
Lavar was completely wrong. |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | SkinsJock wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | I would hope that this had nothing to do with Danny. |
you have difficulty thinking outside the box - don't you |
The problem was that I was outside the box, Danny Smith would be inside. duh. |
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SkinsJock
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Last Sunday we heard that Cundiff had a great week - if that is really the case then Cundiff will not be kicking on Sunday against the Vikes
He apparently got the job because of his confidence - it seems clear he does not have any now
all Mike and Danny need to do is keep giving guys a shot - you miss an easy one, you're gone
by the end of the season we should have a dependable kicker |
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andyjens89
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| Give me some KAIIIIIIIIIIIII |
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chiefhog44
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| andyjens89 wrote: | | Give me some KAIIIIIIIIIIIII |
Got to have Kai...ya mon ... kai...ya, kai.....ya
I'm not for or against this, just thought of the tune |
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markshark84
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| fetus wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | Danny Smith needs to go... I simply don't understand how he manages to keep his job, year after year...
He's got to have video... |
please expand on this, I don't see the problem with Danny Smith, he doesn't miss field goals or miss blocks on FG's or Extra Points or Punts, I haven't seen a time that Danny Smith hasn't been in the face of the person who blew their assignment and also, I don't know how much he has to do with it but, the best special teams player IN THE LEAGUE, Lorenzo Alexander, is on Danny Smith's Special Teams.
But anyhow I would like to hear/read why, it seems to me, a lot of people have a problem with Danny Smith |
Whether or not Smith needs to go is not my concern. I think he is fine for now.
However, Smith is the head of the special teams and as such is accountable for their actions -- which it appears you do not believe. One of the primary purposes of coaches is to make sure their players are prepared to take the field. Therefore, if a player misses an assignment or a block or the players just don't bring it that game --- that is on the coach in that they did not adequately PREPARE their players. Preparation is achieved in practice through practice and repetition. If a player blows an assignment -- it is because they were not prepared. The special teams coach also needs to know the weaknesses in his personell and act accordingly. If there are weaknesses on the FG line, which causes a block, he should have identified those things and held accountable.
While I do understand that there will be circumstances where there was nothing a coach could do -- such as where a kicker is lighting it up in practice and then goes out and shanks one in the game. The ST coach can't be held accountable for that -- but if the writing was on the wall and the ST coach should have known about it and did nothing, then it is on them.
I believe that there have been some things with ST that were unavoidable -- such as Cundiff's 3 misses within 40 yards. However, I believe that there were somethings that shouldn't have happened -- such as the 2 block/bad snap punts. That said, I don't believe Smith should lose his job over this, but I do believe that he should understand that his players are underperforming. |
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