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Red_One43
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What is John Keim really saying about Haslett?
| Quote: | 3.Back to the differences. An NFL source said it’s the difference between having a philosophy and just installing a system. The Steelers, the source said, have a philosophy. Is that fair? When you’re not going well anything is fair. You want to blame coordinator Jim Haslett? Go ahead. This isn’t about one game or one play. It’s now about a body of work. This defense does not come close to comparing to the Gregg Williams’ units. In my time covering the Redskins, that group was as prepared as any. Yes, they got burned at times but could you imagine that D with this quarterback?
4.Let’s look at the last 16 games. It’s not pretty. And I’ll just go by the most important stat: points allowed. In that time the Redskins have allowed 17 or more points 15 times. Defenses that want to flirt with being a top-10 unit don’t do anything like that – you can’t just blame injuries to Brian Orakpo and Adam Carriker, either, because the defense was healthy in the front seven all of last season. There’s more: they’ve allowed 25 or more points 11 times. Eleven! Maybe the offense contributed to that last season by not sustaining drives or scoring enough or putting them in bad spots with turnovers. Well, the Redskins are scoring more, not turning the ball over … and the defense is still giving up points. The fewest points they’ve allowed this year is 22. There’s just no proof that they’re improving. They’ve played better games than others and they’ll look good for stretches, but rarely for an entire game. Something isn’t working, though I think you’re smart enough to know that already. |
Hard to defend Haz here. His record speaks for itself. The only defense here is Shanny's 5 year plan - it takes 5 years to get the players Haz needs. |
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Red_One43
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| oneman56 wrote: | | http://washingtonexaminer.com/rick-snider-time-for-redskins-to-make-a-change/article/2511941#.UI331m-HKSo |
Hard to argue with Snider on this article, but I don't think a change of coaches is warranted at the bye - change of philosophy or as the article by John Keim posted in the thread - get a philosophy.
On Shanny's show last Saturday, he marveled how the Steelers have run the same system for 20 years. He is going to run the same system no matter what. His philosophy is: the scheme is good, you have to get the players and it takes 5 years for the this franchise since it was in such bad shape.
Haz has totally bought into this philosophy. He runs a more complicated D than the Steelers who originated the D without the players needed(See Keim's article posted on this thread).
Instead of following his friend Bill Belichick and using a hybrid defense that fits the personnel, Shanny is going to stick to the Steeler method keep adding players each year. With this method, you have to have many more hits than misses.
Changes for Carolina and after the Bye Week:
No Change in the DC
I look for the same types of Tweaks that Haz has been doing such as moving Alexander around. Giving Robinson more looks. Getting rid of Markus White and getting the OLB Mario Addison, mixing up the coverages more. I would be shocked to see Haz run more 4-3 looks than 3-4. That would go against the philosophy of running the same system each years so the guys know it like the backof their hands. |
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I heard Sean Salisbury on LaVar's show on Friday night. He said he had it on good authority that Haz is on the way out and the Redskins already have their "d coordinator in waiting".
Obviously, Lavar/Salisbury. Take it with the usual grain of salt. |
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| Then why give him an extension? Not saying it isn't true, just trying to understand. |
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| riggofan wrote: | I heard Sean Salisbury on LaVar's show on Friday night. He said he had it on good authority that Haz is on the way out and the Redskins already have their "d coordinator in waiting".
Obviously, Lavar/Salisbury. Take it with the usual grain of salt. |
How many DC did Shanny change in his last years in Denver?
The Danny might be taking a hands off approach to Shanny but that doesn't mean that he isn't quizzing Shanny about what he is going to do with the defense. I don't see a move before the end of this season.
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| Deadskins wrote: | | Then why give him an extension? Not saying it isn't true, just trying to understand. |
Trying to understand Shanny and the Danny are next to impossible, because they way they think in some ways is out of this world.
Think back to the McNabb contract extension.
McNabb is under fire and they extend his contract with one that they can easily get out from underneath. Why renew it in the first place? Did a phony vote of confidence really help anyone?
Without the details of Haz's and Smith's contracts, we have no idea what it means.
Also think back to Keenan McCardell being released as a coach. Who saw that coming? That is more Shanny and the Danny's style.
But then you look at the Vinnie dismissal? Though we loved it, it was strange the way it happened. |
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Jones and Maske's Take on Haz
| Quote: | | People want someone to blame and Jim Haslett often is the target, but I’m still not convinced coaching is the problem. Personnel seems to be more like it. The Redskins don’t seem to be very good. And Shanahan and Bruce Allen are getting what they paid for. They went bargain shopping on defense in the offseason and addressed the offense (yes, the $18 million cap penalty hurt). What happens when you buy cheap products? Things don’t work as well. |
In 2011, the Redskins put the bucks on defense with FA. In 2012, they put the bucks on offense with FA. In 2013, what is the probability that they will spend the bucks on defense?
Even if they do spend the bucks, look where Philly is now with all the money they spent on their D in 2011.
That leaves us with the continuity philosophy of Shanahan because he isn't going to fit a scheme to his players.
The Continuity Philosophy? Shanahan and his 5 years. He really believes that it will take 5 years to "do it right" as he says.
Haz is staying on board.
Keep an eye on Philly's DC change that they made after their bye, doubt if that change helps them much. It didn't against the Falcons.
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| Red_One43 wrote: | | Keep an eye on Philly's DC change after the bye, doubt if that helps much. |
Again?! |
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| Red_One43 wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | Then why give him an extension? Not saying it isn't true, just trying to understand. |
Trying to understand Shanny and the Danny are next to impossible, because they way they think in some ways is out of this world.
Think back to the McNabb contract extension.
McNabb is under fire and they extend his contract with one that they can easily get out from underneath. Why renew it in the first place? Did a phony vote of confidence really help anyone?
Without the details of Haz's and Smith's contracts, we have no idea what it means. |
Coaches contracts don't count under the salary cap, so McNabb's extension and Hazlet's wouldn't be for the same reasons. |
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| Irn-Bru wrote: | | Red_One43 wrote: | | Keep an eye on Philly's DC change after the bye, doubt if that helps much. |
Again?! |
Maybe he meant our bye.  |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | Red_One43 wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | Then why give him an extension? Not saying it isn't true, just trying to understand. |
Trying to understand Shanny and the Danny are next to impossible, because they way they think in some ways is out of this world.
Think back to the McNabb contract extension.
McNabb is under fire and they extend his contract with one that they can easily get out from underneath. Why renew it in the first place? Did a phony vote of confidence really help anyone?
Without the details of Haz's and Smith's contracts, we have no idea what it means. |
Coaches contracts don't count under the salary cap, so McNabb's extension and Hazlet's wouldn't be for the same reasons. |
That is true. There are no salary ramifications, but if you extend Haz for 3 years and fire him - a lot of contracts require one to pay Haz for those three years. It could have been structured in a manner that if he is let go, Haz is owed nothing. |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | Irn-Bru wrote: | | Red_One43 wrote: | | Keep an eye on Philly's DC change after the bye, doubt if that helps much. |
Again?! |
Maybe he meant our bye. |
Yep, that was puzzling the way it was worded. Fixed it. |
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John Keim's Quick Notes
| Quote: | | 5.Quick note: Seven of the 11 starters from Sunday’s game also were starters for most of last season and an eighth, Reed Doughty, was a part-time starter. A ninth, end Jarvis Jenkins, was a second-round pick, albeit one who is still learning after missing all of last season with a knee injury. |
Haz? Do you care to explain such a sharp regression in your defense with this many starters returning from the previous year? |
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| Quote: | | Shanahan said that free agent free safety Madieu Williams has been “solid” as he expected. Shanahan said he felt good about what cornerback Cedric Griffin has given the team when healthy and that receiver Josh Morgan “has major upside.” Shanahan said he expects more from Morgan and other free agents in the second half of the season. |
Here's what we know:
Shanny says Madieu has been "solid" as expected.
"Felt Good" about C.Griffin "when healthy."
Here's what we don't know:
What "as expected" mean.
What "felt good" mean plus the disclaimer when healty.
These weak endorsements sounds like Haslett gets a pass from Shanahan because Shanny knows that he didn't give Haz the talent he needs.
Sounds like the 5 year plan endorsement and Haz's job is safe. Sounds like more of the same for the rest of the season because these guys are not going to get replaced.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/10/29/quick-hits-mike-shanahan-met-with-deangelo-hall-after-outburst/ |
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