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The Hogster
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Pierre, get the dang surgery.
I'm no physician, but I read about Plantar Plate Tears and based on Garcon's toughness, and his inability to "tolerate the pain" he should probably stop waiting for it to heal and get the surgery. This kind of injury could never heal on it's own. And, some people with it untreated find that their toe becomes deformed as the ligament gives way and totally destabilizes the toe.
Dude said yesterday that he's scared of surgery because he'll be "under anesthesia for a long time" and won't know what's going on. SMH
Dude, you don't know what's going on now which is why it's Week 10 and you're still crying that it hurts.
I doubt this will magically heal before the last 7 weeks. He's gonna either have to play through it or get the surgery.
This is what is torn on Pierre:
The plantar ligament holds the toe in place, basically stabilizing it.
If the ligament ruptures and destabilizes the toe, it can look like this. Deformity occurs because the ligament holding the toe in place is torn off.
Surgery repairs the torn ligament so that the toe heals and remains stable.
When you play football for a living, you can't avoid this surgery just because you don't like being under anesthesia. Get the dang surgery.
See Pierre's interview on his toe here.
http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Pierre-Garcon-11-12/ea8a5e72-280a-497c-bad5-f4ea5ec70b2d
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langleyparkjoe
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| The Hogster wrote: | Dude said yesterday that he's scared of surgery because "he'll be under anesthesia" and won't "know what's going on." SMH
Dude, you don't know what's going on now which is why it's Week 10 and you're still crying that it hurts. |
You da man Hogster |
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The Hogster
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| langleyparkjoe wrote: | | The Hogster wrote: | Dude said yesterday that he's scared of surgery because "he'll be under anesthesia" and won't "know what's going on." SMH
Dude, you don't know what's going on now which is why it's Week 10 and you're still crying that it hurts. |
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I'm getting annoyed with these guys. I understand that it's their bodies, and you can't force anyone to get surgery. But, if a physician with 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, 4-8 years of residency, and many years of experience tells you that you need surgery to heal correctly, then why would you refuse, when you majored in pigskin and have no idea what you're talking about. Lavar did this, Laron did this, and now Pierre. You can't "go by feel" with this kind of injury because the only way for it to heal is to rest it. And, the only way to tell if it's healing is to run on it. SMH It might feel good after an offseason of rest. But, come training camp we'll be right back where we are now when he realizes it's still torn or worse ruptured.
If doctors can repair ACLs MCLs PCLs Achilles tendons, and just about everything else. Then let them fix your toe ligament dude. They actually know what they're doing and can look at the ligament to tell whether it's healing or not. I wonder where Adrian Peterson would be if he said, he was just going to let it heal. My fiance delivers babies. Sure, women could do it on their own. But why? |
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Chris Luva Luva
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| The Hogster wrote: | | langleyparkjoe wrote: | | The Hogster wrote: | Dude said yesterday that he's scared of surgery because "he'll be under anesthesia" and won't "know what's going on." SMH
Dude, you don't know what's going on now which is why it's Week 10 and you're still crying that it hurts. |
You da man Hogster |
I'm getting annoyed with these guys. I understand that it's their bodies, and you can't force anyone to get surgery. But, if a physician with 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, 4-8 years of residency, and many years of experience tells you that you need surgery to heal correctly, then why would you refuse, when you majored in pigskin and have no idea what you're talking about. Lavar did this, Laron did this, and now Pierre. You can't "go by feel" with this kind of injury because the only way for it to heal is to rest it. And, the only way to tell if it's healing is to run on it. SMH It might feel good after an offseason of rest. But, come training camp we'll be right back where we are now when he realizes it's still torn or worse ruptured.
If doctors can repair ACLs MCLs PCLs Achilles tendons, and just about everything else. Then let them fix your toe ligament dude. They actually know what they're doing and can look at the ligament to tell whether it's healing or not. I wonder where Adrian Peterson would be if he said, he was just going to let it heal. My fiance delivers babies. Sure, women could do it on their own. But why? |
LOL, I didn't read that. Yeah, he's gonna have to man up about that. |
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SkinsJock
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IF the reason for not following the Dr's recommendation is "I'm not comfortable with anesthesia... " and the team has allowed this guy to be here and obviously not be able to contribute
that is just wrong on both sides
Mike for allowing it to go on knowing the guy would most likely NOT be able to be completely healed without surgery
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the player for not doing it
C'MON MAN - get him out of here 
the WR's here have a great opportunity and they're not taking advantage of it |
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| Someone sneak up behind him with chloroform on a rag... |
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tribeofjudah
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| SkinsJock wrote: | IF the reason for not following the Dr's recommendation is "I'm not comfortable with anesthesia... " and the team has allowed this guy to be here and obviously not be able to contribute
that is just wrong on both sides
Mike for allowing it to go on knowing the guy would most likely NOT be able to be completely healed without surgery
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the player for not doing it
C'MON MAN - get him out of here
the WR's here have a great opportunity and they're not taking advantage of it |
We talkin....anesthesia? anesthesia? We talkin bout anesthesia (ala Iverson about practice)
Dude.....anesthesia happens EVERY DAY in dental offices. Same thing Garcon, come ON NOW...!!! |
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Irn-Bru
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Now I'm thinking what will happen is this: Garcon toys around with the idea of playing for the next seven weeks, taking maybe 10 snaps without any positive results. Then in the offseason he'll take it real easy, coming into camp in so-so shape, but swearing that his toe feels good. In week 2 of preseason something snaps, he's off to IR, and Garcon finally agrees to have the surgery that it sounds like he should already have had by now . . . and we won't see him take the field until September 2014. |
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tribeofjudah
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| Irn-Bru wrote: | | Now I'm thinking what will happen is this: Garcon toys around with the idea of playing for the next seven weeks, taking maybe 10 snaps without any positive results. Then in the offseason he'll take it real easy, coming into camp in so-so shape, but swearing that his toe feels good. In week 2 of preseason something snaps, he's off to IR, and Garcon finally agrees to have the surgery that it sounds like he should already have had by now . . . and we won't see him take the field until September 2014. |
Booo.....and BINGO....!!! So sad how "this" happens in this organization more frequently than we would like. |
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DarthMonk
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| Irn-Bru wrote: | | Now I'm thinking what will happen is this: Garcon toys around with the idea of playing for the next seven weeks, taking maybe 10 snaps without any positive results. Then in the offseason he'll take it real easy, coming into camp in so-so shape, but swearing that his toe feels good. In week 2 of preseason something snaps, he's off to IR, and Garcon finally agrees to have the surgery that it sounds like he should already have had by now . . . and we won't see him take the field until September 2014. |
So wrong but so right.
I once broke my wrist. The knife was suggested. I was "afraid." We tried a cast and took another look a week later. He said it was not healing properly, advised surgery, and mentioned I'd not need a cast.
Say wah?
Got the surgery and was playing guitar in TWO DAYS (broken wrist on fretting hand)!!
Get the feakin' surgery, dude!
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por-tiz2skins
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Garcon is pricey but the Colts didn't re-sign him manly because he had foot issues and now we are paying the price. Garcon is just a #2 WR if Shanny was smart ( i think he is washed up) he should of got Marshall even if it was a 3rd and 013 2nd you would than have a #1 WR and a #2 WR that are young and than now give RG3 his future weapons. Garcon will come back maybe as a inconsistent type of WR that is up- and down but we should of never got Morgan and been a bit more agressive on Mario Manningham or a guy like Randy Moss cheaper .
We made poor moves in FA. |
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The Hogster
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| Irn-Bru wrote: | | Now I'm thinking what will happen is this: Garcon toys around with the idea of playing for the next seven weeks, taking maybe 10 snaps without any positive results. Then in the offseason he'll take it real easy, coming into camp in so-so shape, but swearing that his toe feels good. In week 2 of preseason something snaps, he's off to IR, and Garcon finally agrees to have the surgery that it sounds like he should already have had by now . . . and we won't see him take the field until September 2014. |
I think this is dead on. It makes you wonder whether Garcon cares to get back onto the field as much as you'd like. It also makes it more understandable why Mike went to the media very early on and said the magic phrase "it's a matter of pain tolerance." Suggesting that Garcon needs to man up.
Again, I'm no doctor, but the recovery time for this surgery is 6-8 weeks. If he had it in preseason when he says he first injured it, then he'd be out there contributing.
Has anyone seen Brian Baldinger's finger?? Dude, surgery...get it. |
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Countertrey
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| The Hogster wrote: | It makes you wonder whether Garcon cares to get back onto the field as much as you'd like. It also makes it more understandable why Mike went to the media very early on and said the magic phrase "it's a matter of pain tolerance." Suggesting that Garcon needs to man up.
Again, I'm no doctor, but the recovery time for this surgery is 6-8 weeks. If he had it in preseason when he says he first injured it, then he'd be out there contributing.
Has anyone seen Brian Baldinger's finger?? Dude, surgery...get it. |
Mike Shanahan's statement was made BEFORE the extent of the injury was actually known... While Garcon's "pain tolerance" may, indeed, be a factor, the fact is, this is a more significant injury than they thought... |
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Irn-Bru
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Countertrey wrote: | | Mike Shanahan's statement was made BEFORE the extent of the injury was actually known... While Garcon's "pain tolerance" may, indeed, be a factor, the fact is, this is a more significant injury than they thought... |
Right. I don't blame Garcon or the coaches for not knowing the severity of the situation immediately. But the way it's been handled since then . . . not great, IMO. With the caveat that I'm not an insider and so don't know the whole story, all of the available evidence speaks badly of Garcon's decision making. |
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| DarthMonk wrote: | | Got the surgery and was playing guitar in TWO DAYS (broken wrist on fretting hand)!! |
What's really amazing is that you never played before.  |
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