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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Forbath made a GREAT kick for us, AND, under BIG pressure - no question
I do think that having a kicker that is able to make a high percentage of his FGs is important, but, if the offense is going to score a lot of points, the field position off the kickoffs is also important
I think this is something he needs to improve on - Forbath needs to get that done - not too much to expect 
Forbath needs to work on this is all I'm pointing out |
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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| SkinsJock wrote: | Forbath made a GREAT kick for us, AND, under BIG pressure - no question
I do think that having a kicker that is able to make a high percentage of his FGs is important, but, if the offense is going to score a lot of points, the field position off the kickoffs is also important
I think this is something he needs to improve on - Forbath needs to get that done - not too much to expect
Forbath needs to work on this is all I'm pointing out |
I don't give a dam about his kickoffs. As long as he makes all of his kicks (our over 90%) I can deal with kick offs that land at the goal line. We do pay the guys that cover kicks, right? |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: |
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I totally agree with having kickers that make all their FGs ... UNFORTUNATELY - I don't make the choice about who plays 
Kickers that cannot consistently ENSURE bad field position for the other team are not keeping their job for very long
how hard is it to find a way to do that? As Countertrey points out - he just needs to drive it thru the end zone
Forbath only has to work on improving his kickoffs - HOW HARD IS THAT  |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | SkinsJock wrote: | Forbath made a GREAT kick for us, AND, under BIG pressure - no question
I do think that having a kicker that is able to make a high percentage of his FGs is important, but, if the offense is going to score a lot of points, the field position off the kickoffs is also important
I think this is something he needs to improve on - Forbath needs to get that done - not too much to expect
Forbath needs to work on this is all I'm pointing out |
I don't give a dam about his kickoffs. As long as he makes all of his kicks (our over 90%) I can deal with kick offs that land at the goal line. We do pay the guys that cover kicks, right? |
Hear hear!!! After all the years of sweating it out for every stinkin' field goal try it's an absolute pleasure to sit back and watch a 48 yard (or 28 yard for that matter) field goal try without a drop of sweat forming on my brow. I'll take the shorter kickoffs. |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:43 am Post subject: |
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We like great FG kickers .. HCs and FO guys could care less what 'we' like
Great FG kickers keep their jobs but ... if you miss 1 AND you're not making a huge effort to ensure great field position off each and every kick off, you will not have a job for long
I'm all for Forbath making every FG .. but he's got to show Mike & Danny that he's able to make better kick offs
just sayin' - get 'er done |
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SkinsJock
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I LOVE the fact that Forbath is making all his kicks .. AND ... these have not been easy kicks ...
I just want him to find a way to ensure decent field position on the kickoffs
Forbath is doing really well at part of his job is all I'm saying
he has a good leg - get it thru the end zone or make sure it's high enough for our players to stop the returner inside the 20 |
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| SkinsJock wrote: | I LOVE the fact that Forbath is making all his kicks .. AND ... these have not been easy kicks ...
I just want him to find a way to ensure decent field position on the kickoffs
Forbath is doing really well at part of his job is all I'm saying
he has a good leg - get it thru the end zone or make sure it's high enough for our players to stop the returner inside the 20 |
It's non issue. We don't care. Mike doesn't care. He doesn't have to do a darn thing but continue being a good kicker.
Our coverage units have been top notch for quite some time. Nobody has come close to breaking a long gainer or TD. |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Forbath is great at kicking FGs - he's NOT great at kicking off a tee
you may not care and many here may not care about that - trust me he will get better at kickoffs or we will see another even better FG kicker here that can also be a 'complete' kicker
Forbath understands this
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he will get better ... or he will be gone  |
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| Imo he kicked off better then expected yesterday. What was there average starting position the 15? With two through the endzone? The hell else you want SJ?! |
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SkinsJock
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I don't want anything
I'm just pointing to the fact that Forbath is a great FG kicker
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needs to become a better kicker off the tee - hate to see him go ...
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another great kicker will be kicking here if this one doesn't get better at the really easy task of kicking off a tee
I'm loving watching this guy's FG kicking ... I'm sure Danny Smith and Mike are watching ... and waiting also ... |
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Red_One43
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John Keim on why Forbath is doing well and Gano and Cundif didn't do well here
| Quote: | | Said this after Kai Forbath’s debut and I’ll say it again: The guy doesn’t worry about any outside factors when he’s kicking, he just kicks. The Redskins used to get frustrated with Graham Gano because of how he’d explain his misses or what he needed to work on. He was a bit detailed (which, of course, we appreciated). Then there was Billy Cundiff, who didn’t like to make excuses but he would always point out and discuss the “timing issues”. But Forbath just kicks. It might be a surprise to many outside the organization that he’s perfect on all 10 attempts, but I think when you know his personality you know he has a good mindset to handle this job. At some point he’ll miss a kick, but given his demeanor he won’t fret about it. The Redskins should be thankful that Cundiff struggled early in his tenure here; they found something much better. |
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| Love Forbath. Yes I think we have found our guy. |
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skinsfan#33
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[quote="SkinsJock"]I don't want anything
I'm just pointing to the fact that Forbath is a great FG kicker
that ...
needs to become a better kicker off the tee - hate to see him go ...
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another great kicker will be kicking here if this one doesn't get better at the really easy task of kicking off a tee
I'm loving watching this guy's FG kicking ... I'm sure Danny Smith and Mike are watching ... and waiting also ... [/quote]
Yes, he needs to improve his kickoffs (something he never did before coming to the Skins) and he is!
But you are CRAZY if you think they will let him go of he continues to play the way he is!!!
If he continues to make 100% of his kicks, he's staying. If he makes 95% of his kicks he's staying and if he makes 90% of his kicks he's staying. I don't care if he improves his kickoffs one bit he is staying as long as when they trot him out there to kick aFG they have already put the three points on the board in their minds.
He would have to go in FG slump or his KOs would have to get worse.
Your fooling yourself of you think his KOs are bad enough to warrant them even considering cutting him for even a nano second! |
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SkinsFreak
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| SkinsJock wrote: | | Forbath is great at kicking FGs - he's NOT great at kicking off a tee |
Umm... wow. Well, we saw him kick it through the end zone several times in Dallas and in others games, so we therefore know he has the leg-strength to do it.
What I'm wondering though, is how do you know that the shorter kick-offs aren't by design? You keep talking about creating bad field position for the opponent, yet you aren't acknowledging that a shorter kick-off gives the cover-team a chance to produce worse starting field position for the opposing offense by stopping the returner inside the 20 yard line.
The Skins have a pretty darn good special-teams unit and they're pretty darn good at covering kick-offs. They've stopped the returner many times inside the 20.
So if your cover unit is good and has that capability, wouldn't it be - at times - to their advantage to have the kicker attempt to kick the ball a bit shorter, right in that uncertain grey area of the end-zone where the returner is forced to make a split-second decision as to whether he should bring the ball out of the end-zone or not, possibly stalling for just a second and presenting the kick-coverage team with a good chance of stopping him inside the 20 yard line if he does bring it out, thereby creating worse starting field position for their offense?
So again, how do you know the shorter kick-offs aren't by design? |
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