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Countertrey
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: Mara's Crew

Was apparently working the game in Baltimore today... fortunately, they did a crappy job. Can someone explain HOW the officials can conceivably justify reversing that touchdown???? Can someone explain that ludicrous unneccessary roughness call on Reed????

Redskin in Canada
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Mara's Crew

Countertrey wrote:

Was apparently working the game in Baltimore today... fortunately, they did a crappy job.

Can someone explain HOW the officials can conceivably justify reversing that touchdown????

Can someone explain that ludicrous unneccessary roughness call on Reed????

AGREED. Worst officiating by regular refs this week.

And Godahell may still fine Reed before the end of the week. Watch my words. Rolling Eyes

1niksder
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Mara's Crew

Countertrey wrote:

You already the know the answer... it's the same way you punish your rivals for circumventing the Salary Cap in a un-capped year. Shocked

Countertrey
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: Mara's Crew

1niksder wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

You already the know the answer... it's the same way you punish your rivals for circumventing the Salary Cap in a un-capped year. Shocked

Perhaps true... but the FACT is, Ed Reed's hit was both legal and clean. You want to make an example of him, you wait until he does something that's actually prohibited by candy azzed rule. I hated seeing Cruz shaken up, as I think he is a class act, but come on.
That Touchdown was a score as clear as day... not down until well into the EZ, and clearly in bounds. It required some significant manipulation of the facts to make that call.

DarthMonk
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Mara's Crew

Countertrey wrote:

1niksder wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

You already the know the answer... it's the same way you punish your rivals for circumventing the Salary Cap in a un-capped year. Shocked

Since going to the ground was integral to the catch he had to maintain control upon impact regardless. You may not like the rule but the no-catch = no TD call was correct.

LOOSE BALL
Article 3 A Loose Ball is a live ball that is not in player possession, i.e., any kick, pass, or fumble. A loose ball
that has not yet struck the ground is In Flight. A loose ball (either during or after flight) is considered in
possession of team (offense) whose player kicked, passed, or fumbled. It ends when a player secures
possession or when the down ends if that is before such possession. (For exception, see 9-5-1-Exc. 3).

... then ...

PLAYER POSSESSION
Article 7 A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds (See 3-2-3).
To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have
complete control of the ball and have both feet or any other part of his body, other than his hands,
completely on the ground inbounds, and maintain control of the ball long enough to perform any act
common to the game. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part
of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession.
This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone.
The terms catch, intercept, recover, advance, and fumble denote player possession (as distinguished from
touching or muffing).

... and finally ...

Note 1: A player who goes to the ground in the process of attempting to secure possession of a loose ball (with
or without contact by an opponent) must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting
the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches
the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching
the ground, it is a catch, interception, or recovery.

I have seen many coaches and announcers display ignorance of this rule. The refs enforced this rule properly yesterday in the end zone ruling against the Ravens.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2011_Rule_Book.pdf

Even after Moss' toe-dragging TD yesterday against the Eags the ref correctly made sure he maintained control through impact with the ground long after going out of bounds. A dozen steps in bounds can be involved if a guy is stumbling as part of the catch attempt.

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SkinnDeep
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:38 pm Post subject:

Such bs. I agree.

Deadskins
JSPB22
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:18 am Post subject: Re: Mara's Crew

DarthMonk wrote:

Even after Moss' toe-dragging TD yesterday against the Eags the ref correctly made sure he maintained control through impact with the ground long after going out of bounds

Moss never went down. What are you talking about?

DarthMonk
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Mara's Crew

Deadskins wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

Even after Moss' toe-dragging TD yesterday against the Eags the ref correctly made sure he maintained control through impact with the ground long after going out of bounds

Moss never went down. What are you talking about?

He stumbled and the ref was watching to make sure. The ref did not simply immediately throw his arms up. That's my point. 2 feet (etc.) plus in the endzone does not automatically equal TD, that's all.

Up early. Merry Christmas.

Redskin in Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:10 am Post subject: Re: Mara's Crew

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

AGREED. Worst officiating by regular refs this week.

And Godahell may still fine Reed before the end of the week. Watch my words. Rolling Eyes

As I predicted:

Ed Reed fined $55K by NFL for illegal hit on Victor Cruz

Quote:

Reed hasn't been thrilled with the way the NFL has ruled on his hits. Cruz said after the game that he believed the hit was legal.

At least it didn't draw another suspension.

No kidding. Rolling Eyes

Irn-Bru
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:12 am Post subject:

Unbelievable. Or, that's what I would say under ordinary circumstances. This was pretty much predictable. The Mara/Goodell alliance is too much to take.

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Irn-Bru
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Mara's Crew

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Quote:

Reed hasn't been thrilled with the way the NFL has ruled on his hits. Cruz said after the game that he believed the hit was legal.

At least it didn't draw another suspension.

No kidding. Rolling Eyes

I bet Mara could be quoted as saying Reed is "lucky" he didn't get the suspension. These guys are drunk on power.