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HTTRRG3ALMO
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| SkinsJock wrote: | Fixing our pass defense is one thing - cutting Hall is another
Hall was cut because of his salary - he could be back and he could be a help here
Haslett did a @#!*% of a job with the players he had - having 2 great CBs would NOT have made any difference last season
we do need better players for our secondary but we also need for the front 7 to do a better job too
getting the players back and getting players to pressure the QB is JUST AS important to 'fixing' our secondary - IF NOT MORE  |
This sums it up for me. It was a salary decision more than anything. Its not like DHall is the great CB we'll ever get.
I think he did great when he wanted to, but its not asking for too much to desire a CB to do great day in and day out...those are the hard ones to find (Darryl Green anyone?).
All that said, DHall is replaceable, and I'm not quite convinced yet that other teams are knocking down the door to pick him up. I still feel there's a good chance he'll be back asking for much less (once he tests the open market).
As another Hog on this site mentioned, "minimum wage in the NFL is a lot better than minimum wage flipping burgers" (paraphrased). |
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Chris Luva Luva
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| HTTRRG3ALMO wrote: | | As another Hog on this site mentioned, "minimum wage in the NFL is a lot better than minimum wage flipping burgers" (paraphrased). |
Anyone who settles for less than their worth is an idiot. I'm sure there are people who would look at my salary and would say that I could get by making $20k less... But I don't and I won't settle for anything less than what my skillset brings to the table. It's easy to tell another person what they should make. |
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RayNAustin
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There is no doubt that the outrageous cap penalty imposed on the Redskins made this move unavoidable ... Hall's cap impact was significant, and his release was the only logical decision to be made. However, while some here downplay Hall's talent and contribution as expendable, he was still the best play maker / ball hawk in our secondary, which needs more of that, not less.
I'd really like to see Hall brought back and transitioned to free safety where I think he could excel, and where the Redskins are the weakest. Our safety positions are the weakest link in this defense, and a ball hawk center fielder would really solve a lot of those big play issues which have plagued the team. |
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markshark84
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This was 100% a cap move. Although he was the best player in our secondary (which isn't saying much at all), Hall just wasn't worth his salary. It was a good move.
At this point, however, our FO needs to draft a whole bunch of secondary players or sign a couple. We literally need 3-4 new additions to our secondary. I hate FA, but feel there are no other options right now. We can't count on Merriweather or Tanard as they have been off the field for quite some time now.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Hall tests the market, realizes his value, and signs with us at a much discounted rate. |
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frankcal20
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| Tenard's contract expires today so he's not going to count and I don't think they'll bring him back considering the risk of another slip up, he's gone. I think we can find a guy similar in skill set at a lower price and more dependable. |
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SCSkinsFan
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Chase Minnifield will be in the chase I think.. if his drive hasn't diminished any- he should be in top form and hungrier then most any 2nd year player[/quote]
Thanks for the reminder. I think a lot of folks had forgotten about Frank's kid being there waiting in the wings. This could have made the decision to release Hall a lot easier. I think he is highly thought of and may have even been set to make the squad last year before his injury. He's had time to recover and hopefully will be in shape to step up and grab one of the CB slots this season. |
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1niksder
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| frankcal20 wrote: | | Tenard's contract expires today so he's not going to count and I don't think they'll bring him back considering the risk of another slip up, he's gone. I think we can find a guy similar in skill set at a lower price and more dependable. |
Jackson's contract rolled over to the 2013 season... and he makes the vet min. He can't be re-instated until Aug. so he has no cap impact until then. He is under contract with the Washington Redskins. |
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HTTRRG3ALMO
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| Chris Luva Luva wrote: | | HTTRRG3ALMO wrote: | | As another Hog on this site mentioned, "minimum wage in the NFL is a lot better than minimum wage flipping burgers" (paraphrased). |
Anyone who settles for less than their worth is an idiot. I'm sure there are people who would look at my salary and would say that I could get by making $20k less... But I don't and I won't settle for anything less than what my skillset brings to the table. It's easy to tell another person what they should make. |
Right but if no other team picks him up... |
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Chris Luva Luva
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| HTTRRG3ALMO wrote: | | Chris Luva Luva wrote: | | HTTRRG3ALMO wrote: | | As another Hog on this site mentioned, "minimum wage in the NFL is a lot better than minimum wage flipping burgers" (paraphrased). |
Anyone who settles for less than their worth is an idiot. I'm sure there are people who would look at my salary and would say that I could get by making $20k less... But I don't and I won't settle for anything less than what my skillset brings to the table. It's easy to tell another person what they should make. |
Right but if no other team picks him up... |
Then you have to be smart about the reality of the situation. |
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Irn-Bru
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| Chris Luva Luva wrote: | | HTTRRG3ALMO wrote: | | As another Hog on this site mentioned, "minimum wage in the NFL is a lot better than minimum wage flipping burgers" (paraphrased). |
Anyone who settles for less than their worth is an idiot. I'm sure there are people who would look at my salary and would say that I could get by making $20k less... But I don't and I won't settle for anything less than what my skillset brings to the table. It's easy to tell another person what they should make. |
Sure but the question is whether anyone will pay him more money than we will. I doubt Hall is going to secure an 8-figure contract at this point in his career. Sure he might not be vet. minimum material, but he might not be too far from it, either.
And I'm talking about what he brings to the table, not what he "should" make.  |
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SkinsJock
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| Irn-Bru wrote: | | Chris Luva Luva wrote: | | .. Anyone who settles for less than their worth is an idiot. I'm sure there are people who would look at my salary and would say that I could get by making $20k less. But I don't and I won't settle for anything less than what my skillset brings to the table. |
Sure but the question is whether anyone will pay him more money than we will. I doubt Hall is going to secure an 8-figure contract at this point in his career. Sure he might not be vet. minimum material, but he might not be too far from it, either.
And I'm talking about what he brings to the table, not what he "should" make. |
you're right FFA - but like the man said ...
at the end of the day ... Hall has to both look at what he can get and couple that with the 'opportunities' available |
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SkinsJock
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| I hear that Hall could be signing with the Lions |
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frankcal20
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| Coming across twitter, Hall's getting a lot of interest from teams like, Dallas, NYG's, NE and several others. Can't imagine he's coming back to DC to play for the Skins. Just don't have the money. |
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| frankcal20 wrote: | | Coming across twitter, Hall's getting a lot of interest from teams like, Dallas, NYG's, NE and several others. Can't imagine he's coming back to DC to play for the Skins. Just don't have the money. |
He might go elsewhere BUT I would not be surprised if he comes back at a lower salary. He wants to win and he knows he would win here. |
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HTTRRG3ALMO
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| SCSkinsFan wrote: | | Chase Minnifield will be in the chase I think.. if his drive hasn't diminished any- he should be in top form and hungrier then most any 2nd year player |
Thanks for the reminder. I think a lot of folks had forgotten about Frank's kid being there waiting in the wings. This could have made the decision to release Hall a lot easier. I think he is highly thought of and may have even been set to make the squad last year before his injury. He's had time to recover and hopefully will be in shape to step up and grab one of the CB slots this season.[/quote]
I still have high hopes for this kid. Hope he surprises us all |
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