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Pierre Garcon

Postby DarthMonk » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:57 pm

The Washington Post expects Pierre Garcon to play "X" receiver in new coach Jay Gruden's offense, with DeSean Jackson at "Z."

"Z" was A.J. Green's position in Gruden's Bengals offense. It commanded a team-high 178 targets last season.

The "X" position was manned by Marvin Jones, who finished with 80 targets. Garcon will play a lot more snaps than Jones did, but this is something to keep in mind with a new offense being installed in D.C. It's conceivable that Garcon will be less of a featured player under Gruden, essentially sharing the role with D-Jax.

The Post anticipates third receiver Andre Roberts handling duties similar to Mohamed Sanu's (77 targets).

Source: Washington Post Jul 17 - 11:45 AM
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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby HEROHAMO » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:11 pm

I wouldnt worry too much about Garcons role. Id expect our receivers to get plenty of looks. We also have Jordan Reed who can find openings. Our offense in general will be potent. Its our defense we really need to worry about.

I actually thought we should use Djax in the slot. But I can also see how he can stretch the field. Being one of the fastest players in the league. Garcon is no slouch in the speed department as well. I remember that Thanksgiving game when Garcon took it to the house outrunning the whole secondary.

Oooh yeah I am getting chills thinking about how our offense is going to look.
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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby langleyparkjoe » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:53 am

I think it's pretty cool we have serious WR threats (including Reed)
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Postby SkinsJock » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:54 am

I understand looking at what Jay Gruden did before but I think what he and Scott will do here will be tailored to suit what they have here rather than what he did with the Bengals

we have BIG talent at the skill positions & only 1 talented offensive lineman - The offense will be great if the O line can play well :lol:
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Postby langleyparkjoe » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:28 am

SkinsJock wrote:The offense will be great if the O line can play well :lol:


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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby yupchagee » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:44 pm

RGIII's health should help the O-line.
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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby SkinsJock » Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:16 pm

yupchagee wrote:RGIII's health should help the O-line.


how does that work, exactly? :shock:
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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby Countertrey » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:21 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
yupchagee wrote:RGIII's health should help the O-line.


how does that work, exactly? :shock:
Easy... a mobile quarterback slows down the pass rush. They can't pin their ears back and run to a spot where they expect the QB to be... they have to make sure he doesn't get outside.
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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby riggofan » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:25 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
yupchagee wrote:RGIII's health should help the O-line.


how does that work, exactly? :shock:


I can't quite figure out what part of his statement is shocking.

You don't think a healthy, mobile RGIII helped the O-line in 2012?

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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby SkinsJock » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:10 am

I feel that Scott and Jay will try and have a very healthy RG3 run a pro style offense - Mike and Kyle utilized a ZBS and tried to use an offense that was based on RG3's talent and similar to what he had been used to in college - this will not be the same and RG3 will be a lot better QB - you still need a good offensive line or you don't do well offensively

I'm not convinced that the O line we'll see this season is going to be a lot better and more effective - unless we are able to find players to replace 4 of the 5 starters from last season and have them playing at a good level - normally, that takes time

I'll grant that a healthy RG3 behind last season's O line would have helped a little

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no matter how good the weapons are you need a good O line
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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby DarthMonk » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:23 am

SkinsJock wrote:
yupchagee wrote:RGIII's health should help the O-line.


how does that work, exactly? :shock:


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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby SkinsJock » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:41 am

so you think the 2012/3 O line would be a lot better this season with a healthy RG3 - that makes no sense at all :D

fortunately Jay and Scott will not game plan or design an offense anything like what we had here in 2012 or 2013 - BIG difference

this will be a better game planning and use of RG3 as a QB - we are also going to see a completely different O line than we saw in 2012/3
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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby DarthMonk » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:26 pm

Griff being healthy as opposed to not being healthy would help ANY O-line.

Additionally, looking at what Gruden did with AJ Green, Marvin Jones, and Mohamed Sanu absolutely offers clues to how he will use Jackson, Garcon, and Roberts, etal. Same goes for Morris and Helu, etal. with regards to Green-Ellis and Bernard. I'd guesstimate that at least 75% of the plays we run this season will be plays run by the Bengals last year and that the frequency with which we run them will also be at least that high compared to the frequency they were run by the Bengals.

Of course, as you point out (somewhat), we do have different personnel as well as different opponents. So for those reasons, and others, the offenses will not be identical.

Anyway, looks like Garcon will be our X as Jones was for the Bengals while Jackson will be our Z as Green was for the Bengals.
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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby SkinsJock » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:03 pm

I am excited about the weapons that Scott and Jay can use and about having a healthy RG3 - I am not convinced the O line will be as good as they need to be ... any offensive line will 'benefit' from having a talent like RG3 as QB - however, the O line will need time to develop continuity after adding a RT, RG, C and LG to the 5 that started most games last season

I find it hard to believe that some here really think this offense can be a top 5 offense without a really good O line
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Re: Pierre Garcon

Postby riggofan » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:55 am

SkinsJock wrote:I find it hard to believe that some here really think this offense can be a top 5 offense without a really good O line


I doubt anybody disagrees that the offensive line can be improved, but your statements about how dire it is just seem wildly off base to me.

In 2011 we were ranked #16 in total offense. In 2012 when we added RGIII we were ranked #5. I'm not sure why you would find it "hard to believe" we could be a top 5 offense with this offensive line. We WERE a top 5 offense with this offensive line.

How about the Broncos? They were ranked #23 in total offense in 2011. Add Manning in 2012 and they are #4.

Neither of these teams had to replace four of five offensive line players to make these improvements.

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