» Ohalete or Bowen

curtis28 · newbie Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 6

I say Ohalete is the best and pick Taylor and have him and Ohalete Starting

andyjens89 · Hog Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 1894 Location: Michigan

I'd like to see Taylor wearing burgundy and gold next season but it wouldnt bother me who starts next to him.

ii7-V7 · Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:05 pm Post subject:

curtis28 · newbie Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 6

I agree chad if you look at the stats Ohalete has been doing way better also Bowen had a couple concusions last season and hurt other players and started fight during practices and mini camps I would HATE to say us lose Ohalete this year him and Taylor would make a great team at safety

BringThePain! · Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject:

Bowen.... Geez... Give the guy a chance! I'm not saying he's an All-Pro... but he's only been here one year, and he hits hard, an is atleast as good as Iffy back there...

Iffy's decent, but he's been here for years... and our safety's still have slways gotten burnt...

I'd give Bowen the chance alongside Taylor.... let Ohalete substitute....

ii7-V7 · Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:10 pm Post subject:

There is no way that you can objectively say that Bowen is as good or better than Ohalete. Think about all the times that Bowen tried to get the big hit instead of just getting the tackle and ended up whiffing. Think of the fact that Ohalete is younger, faster, and less banged up. Think about how Ohalete's stats were better last year in a Cover 2 defense which relies heavily upon having fast and intelligent Safeties. I just can't see how you can say that Bowen is as good as Ohalete. Don't get me wrong, I like Bowen, but I just don't think that he is as good as Ohalete. And if I had to choose one to keep around I would have to go with the younger, faster, and more succesful one.

Chad

Redskin006 · piglet Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 35

i say keep them both. i really like both of them and i think they have extremely successful careers in the not so near future. but iffy if i had to keep only one.

BringThePain! · Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:59 pm Post subject:

RedskinsRule56 · Hog Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 1064 Location: DC

I would say IFFY is much better! Bowen is an aggresive high risk Safety who gets burned way too often! IFFY is only getting better and I think he will have a very solid year this year! Dont worry IFFY is not going anywhere! I want us to take Udeze in the draft not taylor!

BringThePain! · Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:28 am Post subject:

johnjack · swine Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 95

Many of you mention how hard Bowen hits, but the biggest hit I saw from him all year was in training camp on Trung Canidate. I happened to be at camp that day. I am just trying to think back to last season what other big hits we saw from him? I saw quite a bit of what I call "friendly fire" hitting his own teammates during games.

All that said, I think he and Iffy are about the same. One thing I think many of us agree on is, get Taylor. Taylor will give Greg Williams quite a bit of flexibility in his blitz schemes.

ii7-V7 · Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:00 am Post subject:

hkiss444 · Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:02 am Post subject:

With Taylor's combination of size and speed the best part is that Bowen can play on first and second downs(running situations) and Iffy on more passing situations. Both are solid special teams players which will be a huge boost as well.

BringThePain! · Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:10 am Post subject:

Uh.... dukes, i used last years stats because last year was the year both of them started at there positions....Ohalete had more opportunities in Washington during his 3 years.... and Bowen didn't get much of an opportunity w/ St. Louis or Green Bay.....so it's kinda un fair to use previous years stats.....

And you can't use TD run backs as a stat.... Unless there known for running back TD.... just because Iffy did it once doesn't make a him a great one.....

There's no way we can prove who's faster, who's missed more block's.....Your stateing your opinion....I'm giving you facts.....

First.... tackles mean very little when your ranking a player....It could mean that they threw Iffy's way more because WR's were more open on his side.... there for the WR would catch the ball and Iffy would have to tackle him.... Maybe the opposition didn't throw at bowen more because he's a better cover guy....I'm not saying this is true, I'm just saying this is why you can't use tackles = greatness....

I'm not even saying Bowen is better than Iffy.... but there Stats (from last year, the only year in both there career's that they both started at there positions), there stats say there close to equal players.... yet we've only seen what Bowen can do for one year.... Iffy hasn't improved.... he, just like Bowen got burnt on plays....

either way Bowen and Iffy will be here next year, and if we draft Taylor, like I hope we do, we'll see who Gibbs and company think's is the better pairing.

skins75 · Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:35 am Post subject:

Lets hope that both of their tackle totals go down this year.

One thing I will say is that Bowen took some awful angles on tackles last year. At 27 he should have used better judgement and technique than what he did on several occasions. However, the scheme we used was clearly flawed and I am willing to give both the benefit of the doubt. We will be able to give a much more accurate opinion next year.