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Postby redskincity » Sat May 22, 2004 11:28 am

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redskincity wrote:People with twisted views aren't fit for our military. :shock:


The military is all about people with different backgrounds and with different views coming together as one for a common purpose. As an American I find your statement offensive and narrow minded.

The military works because they are an entity that is made up of all types of different people who are on call when the President and/or Congress call upon them whatever the reason. Don't believe me? Well, immagine for the second the military was privatized. Immagine that they were made up of all people who only joined the military to kill people and get paid, an army of bounty hunters just sitting around waiting to get called on to kill someone, contracting themselves out to other private organizations in the meantime. The president calls and asks them to report to some other country and they say "no, too dangerous, besides, you're not paying us enough... we're making more money as protection for South American drug lords. Bye."

Our military works because of people from different backgrounds coming together for love of country among other reasons to help America. It has nothing to do with whether they believe in the fight or not, the military can work no other way.


Wrong!People come in the military for many reasons. They range from money to wanting to travel to College.

I served many years and we still dont know what makes the military work other than support from fellow americans. :D

INMO military works because people who serve do as they are told.


What experience do you have with the Military other than "John Wayne flicks?" :oops:

Have you been in the military?? Have you worn the freakin uniform? Have you been away from your family with bullets fling over you?

Do you know how to salute and why soldiers dont like to do it at times???



We will fight no matter what, so you can sit home and chill at the computer.

We have a job to do in Iraq and the US military and goverment aren't going to just pack up and leave because of all the class-conscious objectors out there :lol: :lol:


Also its know big secrect that some parts of the Military are privatized :wink: Just ask your local recruiter :lol:

Sf55 wheter you like it or not, US interests in Iraq are your interests. :-k
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Postby Skinsfan55 » Sat May 22, 2004 11:51 am

redskincity wrote:Wrong!People come in the military for many reasons.


Say I'm wrong in big letters then go on to repeat exactly what I have said in big letters is a cunning strategy, good work :roll:

redskincity wrote:
I served many years and we still dont know what makes the military work other than support from fellow americans. :D

INMO military works because people who serve do as they are told.


EXACTLY what I have stated, reguardless of beliefs the people in the military follow orders from higher ups and that's the only way it can work.

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What experience do you have with the Military other than "John Wayne flicks?" :oops:


My best friend is in the Army, I've been to the barracks with him a few times and met all the guys down there. Strangely enough, I've never seen one of the John Wayne movies with him in the soldier roles all the way through

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Have you been in the military?? Have you worn the freakin uniform? Have you been away from your family with bullets fling over you?


Nope, but I came darned close. I almost joined the 109th, but for various reasons (moving, etc.) I didn't.

redskincity wrote:
Do you know how to salute and why soldiers dont like to do it at times???


Goes back to medieval times when knights would raise their visors to show passing knights that they were not an enemy, and yes, I know how to salute, my friend taught me the mechanics.

redskincity wrote:
We will fight no matter what, so you can sit home and chill at the computer.

We have a job to do in Iraq and the US military and goverment aren't going to just pack up and leave because of all the class-conscious objectors out there :lol: :lol:


The rest of this is so idiotic... We have a job to do in Iraq... that we are screwing up. I have said that we can't leave Iraq, it is too late... and you are lumping me in with every liberal sentiment out there... I do not want to leave, it is far too late for that, so none of this applies to me at all, I guess maybe you just thought it sounded cool?

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Sf55 wheter you like it or not, US interests are your interests. :-k


What's in the US's interest is to stop screwing up the war on terrorism. This operation obviously needs some fixing, and it would be in all of our interests if they did so.
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Postby DEHog » Sat May 22, 2004 11:52 am

By saying people like me would have done nothing after Sept 11th is a little offensive.


I didn't...and you say we don't read?? I asked what would you have done??

It's a war, SOME innocent people are going to die, but when you kill a prisoner, or bomb a wedding, then things aren't exactly going to plan. We needed to do a lot of things that weren't done to have the best possible outcome for this conflict that we failed to do. It's astonishing that no one else has acknowledged this!]


Which is it?? You cry about the prison and the wedding and then you say some innocent people are going to die?? Of course I acknowledge it and the US as also acknowledged it. Why do you bashed your country for the very thing other countrys failed to do?Nice to see both sides of you neck are working

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The problem I see is that people are treating this like an ordinary war. It's not. Our objective here isn't to kill more of them than they do of us The object is to help stabalize the region while making it harder for terrorism being supported. We will never get all the terrorists, ever. Also, the middle east will probably still hate us after we leave their countries in better shape than when we went in.

Did you really say this?? Ever been to war? Ever seen a war? Ever watch a movie about war. Things don't go as planned, very easy to sit back and do a little Monday Morning QBing. Damn whatever happened to supporting our country?? It's so sad what's taking place here now, the terrorist don't have to do anything else they already won!!


I'm just glad my friend Chris is a military policeman/field artillery soldier. He can keep his distance from the REAL action. (Besides the occasional ambush or IED). Hey, if he's over there until January or February what do you think he'll be doing after we turn over power? Just guard duty? Moving to a different country? Anyone care to speculate?


Ok try...he'll continue to provide, support, defend and serve the freedom we enjoy here in this great country!!
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Postby redskincity » Sat May 22, 2004 12:01 pm

You almost joined the 109th??? :^o BS you go where they send u! :roll: :up:

They cut orders for u :roll: :roll:

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Whats your suggestions on fixin this situation in Iraq?? SF55

The only substance you have is you have been to a military barracks. :rock: :roll:

Man....write your congress.

The format that you are using is very outdated and does not work on all of us :wink: :up:

Its very obvious you dont know anything about the military other than what your "friend" told you.

Maybe www.google.com can give you more. Perhaps??
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Postby Skinsfan55 » Sat May 22, 2004 12:10 pm

DEHog,

You did say that if more and more people like me were in public policy making then nothing would have been done about 9/11, not true. I would have taken a similar course of action, except one with MUCH more tact involved.

I would have tapped into the intelligence gathering agencies of all our allies and tried to find evidence of terrorist camps etc. The CIA would be on the road to immediate overhaul (sort of like it is now) and I would not have added anti-terrorism abroad to the FBI's priority list (they have more work than any other government law enforcement agency, why give them extra responsibility?) I would have replaced the CIA director, given them a little more money for the budget and increase their power (while keeping them on a tighter leash, unlike in the cold war). Ground troops would have been a last resort to artillery and I would have gathered all the intelligence I could get on where terrorist bases might be and fire missiles at them until it was needed for the eventual ground troops to come clean up the weakened terrorist defenses. Any countries not willing to fully coorperate with our hunt for terrorist organizations would be toppled and new governments put in place (kind of like now, but with more tact, we are really showing no respect for the citizens and making no distinction between them and the bad guys.) Part of the basic training before ground troop deployment would be in Muslim cultures and it would be held in very high importance that we're going in to help them while respecting their beliefs.

I said, SOME civilians will die but when you bomb 40 people all of whom probably were innocent, and kill unarmed prisoners something is wrong. When you drop a bomb, you don't get all terrorists. It happens, but you should at least have good intelligence before you drop one.

Yes, things don't always go as planned in a war, but things like respecting basic human rights, and having solid intelligence shouldn't be overlooked. They are still my country, but I want what they are doing to change. If the Redskins just started losing games that they should be winning, you would still want them to win, you'd still love them, but you'd want them to fix the problem and continue. Just like I do with the US. Fix these problems and continue.

And those last lines were really just cheap. C'mon now.

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Postby Skinsfan55 » Sat May 22, 2004 12:13 pm

redskincity wrote:You almost joined the 109th??? :^o BS you go where they send u! :roll: :up:

They cut orders for u :roll: :roll:


National Guard RScity, National Guard. My friend joined the 109th in Nanticoke PA at the Barracks downtown, I almost did the same. Luckily I moved. Anyway, they got activated and were changed from a Field Artilery Battalion to Military Police... seems pretty boring right now, he's escorting repairmen around the desert to fix this water pump. ::yawn::

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Postby redskincity » Sat May 22, 2004 12:18 pm

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redskincity wrote:You almost joined the 109th??? :^o BS you go where they send u! :roll: :up:

They cut orders for u :roll: :roll:


National Guard RScity, National Guard. My friend joined the 109th in Nanticoke PA at the Barracks downtown, I almost did the same. Luckily I moved. Anyway, they got activated and were changed from a Field Artilery Battalion to Military Police... seems pretty boring right now, he's escorting repairmen around the desert to fix this water pump. ::yawn::


He could be on the frontline, so he should count his blessings O:)
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Postby Redskins Rule » Sat May 22, 2004 12:18 pm

The 109th what???

What unit is the 109th?

I didn't know you could pick out your units...I thought they put you where they needed you.

Maybe times have changed...But bottom line is you never signed up. And you don't rate to talk trash about our troops fighting this war. You know nothing about war except which you watch on CNN. You've never been in one so...just shut up. You don't rate to speak bad things about those who are in a war.

When you bash our troops for mistakenly bombing a wedding party or murdering a prisoner the first chance you get. It really pisses me off. Did you not hear the Pentagon's report? They said it was a weapon's cache. That means they thought they were bombing a weapons cache. Mabye they did and the Arabs are making this up. It wasn't murder. The prisoner....you never answered my question on how do you know it was a murder? You know crap about it. You were not there. The military is doing there investigation in the whole prison case. Let them find out what really happened to that prisoner. Do you know how they are going to find out? First they will talk to those that WERE THERE!!!!

Just shut up....quit bashing the US Military on every chance you get when you don't even know what your talking about
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Postby Skinsfan55 » Sat May 22, 2004 12:20 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:The 109th what???

What unit is the 109th?

I didn't know you could pick out your units...I thought they put you where they needed you.

Maybe times have changed...But bottom line is you never signed up. And you don't rate to talk trash about our troops fighting this war. You know nothing about war except which you watch on CNN. You've never been in one so...just shut up. You don't rate to speak bad things about those who are in a war.

When you bash our troops for mistakenly bombing a wedding party or murdering a prisoner the first chance you get. It really pisses me off. Did you not hear the Pentagon's report? They said it was a weapon's cache. That means they thought they were bombing a weapons cache. Mabye they did and the Arabs are making this up. It wasn't murder. The prisoner....you never answered my question on how do you know it was a murder? You know crap about it. You were not there. The military is doing there investigation in the whole prison case. Let them find out what really happened to that prisoner. Do you know how they are going to find out? First they will talk to those that WERE THERE!!!!

Just shut up....quit bashing the US Military on every chance you get when you don't even know what your talking about


I am not even going to dignify this complete and utter garbage with a response. You want to discuss this issue then take a timeout and come back when you feel you are able.

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Postby Skinsfan55 » Sat May 22, 2004 12:23 pm

redskincity wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:
redskincity wrote:You almost joined the 109th??? :^o BS you go where they send u! :roll: :up:

They cut orders for u :roll: :roll:


National Guard RScity, National Guard. My friend joined the 109th in Nanticoke PA at the Barracks downtown, I almost did the same. Luckily I moved. Anyway, they got activated and were changed from a Field Artilery Battalion to Military Police... seems pretty boring right now, he's escorting repairmen around the desert to fix this water pump. ::yawn::


He could be on the frontline, so he should count his blessings O:)


He was more or less until he was transfered. He was in Baghdad until a couple weeks ago. He was running patrols through the city and he was in a couple skirmishes and his convoy was even hit by an IED... he's okay though. His unit moved to a new base now, and he says it might be safer but the living conditions stink and it's boring...

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Postby redskincity » Sat May 22, 2004 12:25 pm

Yeah I hear weird bizarre things coming from that statcom.(Iraq)
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Postby Redskins Rule » Sat May 22, 2004 12:32 pm

HELL NO SKINS FAN!!!!!!!!

YOU WALK AWAY AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE SAID!!!!!!!!!

THEN COME BACK WHEN YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU JUST DON'T RATE TO TALK TRASH ABOUT THE US MILITARY!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Skinsfan55 » Sat May 22, 2004 2:21 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:HELL NO SKINS FAN!!!!!!!!

YOU WALK AWAY AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE SAID!!!!!!!!!

THEN COME BACK WHEN YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU JUST DON'T RATE TO TALK TRASH ABOUT THE US MILITARY!!!!!!!!!!


No one is trash talking the military you ignoramous. Why don't you go play in a microwave?

This operation in Iraq needs to be cleaned up, and if you can't accept that as fact then maybe you should make an effort to become more informed.

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Postby DEHog » Sat May 22, 2004 2:27 pm

Whatch you tude 55 this is the lounge not the smack forum. RR didn't insult you but you sure insulted him be the ignoramous comment. Why does he have to "accept it as fact" He's not allowed to have a opinion??
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Postby Skinsfan55 » Sat May 22, 2004 2:45 pm

DEHog wrote:Whatch you tude 55 this is the lounge not the smack forum. RR didn't insult you but you sure insulted him be the ignoramous comment. Why does he have to "accept it as fact" He's not allowed to have a opinion??


You can have an opinion, but if my opinion is that the world is flat against a mountain of evidence, then that's pretty silly.

Things aren't going right in Iraq and it's plain as day. People can argue until their face turns blue and they'll still be wrong.

What gets me is the blatant lies that people make up and assume I believe. I certainly am not "badmouthing" the military. They are a resource that can be misused, what's so hard to understand about that?

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